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Old 11-10-2008, 11:33 PM    (permalink
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Default The Falcons have some tough decisions to make coming up.

I believe all these guys are due to either get a new contract or become free agents either in 2009 or 2010

Roddy White
Jerious Norwood
Jonathan Babineaux
Michael Jenkins
Michael Boley
Domonique Foxworth
Chauncey Davis
Michael Koenen
Tyson Clabo
Harvey Dahl

I think we can all agree that we'd like to see most or all of those guys stick around. The question is can the Falcons afford to pay them all market value. A good season by a team tends to raise the value of it's free agents.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:57 AM    (permalink
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You said it there with that last sentence. Since the falcons are winning, these starters/high reps guys will be worth more money. It wouldn't surprise me if we lost a few from that list which we will have to probly replace through the draft. You're missing the 3 vets at each level... milloy, brooking, grady jackson.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:33 AM    (permalink
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You said it there with that last sentence. Since the falcons are winning, these starters/high reps guys will be worth more money. It wouldn't surprise me if we lost a few from that list which we will have to probly replace through the draft. You're missing the 3 vets at each level... milloy, brooking, grady jackson.
I'm kind of making assumptions with those 3. Brooking is signed through next season, I believe. I'm figring he'll play through next season and then likely retire. His contract my be worked with to create cap space, however. Milloy supposedly wants to finish his career in Seattle, near where he went to college. Don't remember where I read that, but it seemed like a source worth trusting. Grady Jackson will either sign another one year deal or won't be back.
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Roddy White - Resign. Duh.
Jerious Norwood - It would be good, but not necessary. We can find another speed back in the draft.
Jonathan Babineaux - Quietly having a breakout season. Resign him.
Michael Jenkins - Lets see how this season ends. He seems to be doing well with Ryan and may be removing that bust label. If he does finish strong, we should resign him to keep the chemistry going. I dont expect him to get a huge offer.
Michael Boley - Resign.
Domonique Foxworth - He played well yesterday, but lets see how the season plays out. If he continues his ridiculous play, he needs a contract.
Chauncey Davis - Bye bye.
Michael Koenen - Hes cool. Not necessary.
Tyson Clabo - Not too much of a priority. He has done well, but eh. Its just RT.
Harvey Dahl - I want him resigned. He adds a nasty demeanor to our OL and once he stops making stupid holds, he can be above average.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:43 AM    (permalink
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Roddy White - Resign. Duh.
Jerious Norwood - It would be good, but not necessary. We can find another speed back in the draft. Jonathan Babineaux - Quietly having a breakout season. Resign him.
Michael Jenkins - Lets see how this season ends. He seems to be doing well with Ryan and may be removing that bust label. If he does finish strong, we should resign him to keep the chemistry going. I dont expect him to get a huge offer.
Michael Boley - Resign.
Domonique Foxworth - He played well yesterday, but lets see how the season plays out. If he continues his ridiculous play, he needs a contract.
Chauncey Davis - Bye bye.
Michael Koenen - Hes cool. Not necessary.
Tyson Clabo - Not too much of a priority. He has done well, but eh. Its just RT.
Harvey Dahl - I want him resigned. He adds a nasty demeanor to our OL and once he stops making stupid holds, he can be above average.
WHAT!!! we better sign Jerious or I will be furious. First of all he has been a huge still considering he is still on his rookie contract. He deserves to be paid and must stay in ATL, why would we get rid of a good thing?

And Chauncey has provided us w/ our only depth at DE and has played well when he is in. Him and Babs both need to be resigned.

Luckily we are a team with a pretty decent amount of cap space. More than likely if Brooking wants to stay around he will re-structure his contract to free up even more.

I think we can sign most if not all of these guys. W/ Dahl and Clabo, they were given a chance and have done well, I think they will both want to stick around. Jenkins is another one of those players. He has mentioned several times how he loves coming to practice and play for Mike Smith.

Roddy will get paid and hopefully Boley doesnt cost too much. I honestly think it wont be too hard keeping these guys.
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Looking at all the people we may need to sign, Norwood might be expendable. Of course I wouldn't want that, but cap space can be tricky.
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With the exception of Roddy, Jerious would be my #1 priority to re-sign. Dynamic, great skill set and lots of fun to watch. Davis is great depth IMO.

Id like to re-sign all of them, even if it meant no big time F/A which would ruin alot of offseason fun and very unlike my normal mentality.

The one i would consider letting go is Boley if he demands huge money. If he plays like this and wants mid-tier money, 100%, sign him, but he hasnt be top 10 OLB like last year this year.

Brookings cap his is 7 mil next year CUT, Mclures is big too. And i think we get some money from Vicks release dont we? We will also be drafting lower so we should have some money to lock everyone up
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Roddy White - resign for sure.
Jerious Norwood - depends how much he wants but i wouldn't mind letting him go.
Jonathan Babineaux - resign, i wanna see him and trey lewis in rotation next year.
Michael Jenkins - resign, he's emerging as quite a number 2.
Michael Boley - he hasnt played up to his usual caliber but i would love him back. his coverage is good but his tackles are somewhat lacking. we dont have anyone to fill his role if he isn't resigned.
Domonique Foxworth -resign, i was very impressed during the saints game hopefully he'll keep it up.
Chauncey Davis - this guy is greatly underrated. the few plays he's in, he makes nice plays. hes not really a pass rusher but he plays the run really well. good situational guy and i dont expect hm to be expensive.
Michael Koenen - i wouldn't mind seeing him gone but we would need a kickoff guy and a punter. elam can do kickoffs cant he?
Tyson Clabo - resign, we need to keep our OL together.
Harvey Dahl - resign.
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I would like to resign Norwood also, but I think White, Boley, Babineux, Jenkins, and Dahl should be higher priority. I like Norwood as much as the next guy, but If I have to choose between a starting DT/WR or a backup HB i'm not picking the HB. Remember Turner is one of the 5 highest paid guys in the NFL so you don't want to pay another big contract to someone at the same position.
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It all depends on the price tags. Basically, never overpay for mid-level players (actually, never overpay for anyone). I think Dmitroff will be able to take an unbiased look at these guys and figure out if they're worth it. I thought more of these guys were restricted but apparently it's only Dahl & Clabo. Norwood & White's contracts are for one more year...do they have clauses in there that voids the contracts?

Roddy White - we should probably reward him with a nice contract regardless. His chemistry with Ryan is priceless. I hope he doesn't want top 5 WR money. If we can get away with paying him top 10 money, I'll be happy. Taking care of his brother & cousin who are still in school and the feel-good season could give us a nice discount.

Jerious Norwood - if he's still under contract, fine. Otherwise, this will probably depend on Norwood himself. If he wants to leave to be the #1 guy elsewhere, he'll leave (he'll probably have one or two offers). We can't pay him #1 money. I'd love to have him back though.

Jonathan Babineaux - very valuable, probably shouldn't take too much money to sign him but someone could come in with a big offer that we can't match.

Michael Jenkins - the rest of the year will set his price tag. If he's still reasonably priced, sign him. Otherwise, let him go. He's solid but I'm not going to overpay for him.

Michael Boley - has a lot of talent and isn't having the huge year we expected. I wasn't sure if we could afford him going into this year but now I think we can.

Domonique Foxworth - The last two games have been pro-bowl caliber. It depends on what other offers he can get. I'd love to have him back. Because of him I feel good about our secondary for the first time is years.

Chauncey Davis - he's not a big pass rusher and he's a backup so he should be affordable. His versatility and steady play make him very valuable to us.

Michael Koenen - punters are interchangeable. It doesn't hurt to lose them but they're not in high demand either. We should be able to sign him to an average contract. If he wants more, let him go.

Tyson Clabo (restricted) - Make a solid offer and if someone else grabs him, we get a draft pick

Harvey Dahl (restricted) - Same as Clabo (although I'm more inclined to match another team if they go for him). I love his attitude.

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we can re-sign all of them with no problems.
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I wonder what kind of contract Roddy will be looking for. I believe Larry Fitzgerald got 4 years at $40 mill. $10 mill per is likely close to what Roddy will be looking for.

I'll go ahead and get this out of the way now: "but but Halsey, Roddy is not as good as Fitzgerald so he won't get as much money!"

No, Roddy is not as good as Fitzgerald, but he is a Pro Bowl caliber WR and contracts go up over time because the cap goes up every year. If Fitzgerald was up for a contract now, he would be worth more than he was after last year.
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10 million dollars a year is ridiculous. Just FYI.
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I just looked up a couple of other big WR contracts. Steve Smith and Lee Evans both signed 4 year contracts at about $38 mill not long ago.
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Fitzgerald is a top3 pick who seems headed to the HOF with the numbers he is putting up. Steve Smith has been one of the top WRs in the game every year he has been healthy.

White has yet to make the pro bowl. He is good, but you are overestimating how much he should be asking for.
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Fitzgerald is a top3 pick who seems headed to the HOF with the numbers he is putting up. Steve Smith has been one of the top WRs in the game every year he has been healthy.

White has yet to make the pro bowl. He is good, but you are overestimating how much he should be asking for.
I didn't say how much he should be asking for. I said how much he probably will be asking for. There's a big difference in the two. And contracts aren't meant to pay players in the past. Teams pay contracts based on the present and what they think they will get out of a player in the future. Roddy White is on track for a 94 catch, 1,400 yard, 11 TD season. He just turned 27, has no health questions and has been a model citizen for the most part. He's going to get a big contract. Maybe not $10 mill per year, but it won't be much less.
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I agree with Halsey, to an extent.

I don't think that White will end up with $10 mill per year, but his agent would be nuts not to demand in the region of $8 mill p.a.

Btw, when you consider that there are guards making $7 mill, that's not too bad. Whatever happens, we need to resign him, even if it is for $10 mill p.a.

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I'd like to resign all of them, but turnover is a fact of life in the NFL, so we may as well accept that not all of them will stay.

Roddy White is a must sign. It's taken us a decade to find a #1 wideout; finally we have done, we can't let him go elsewhere. Worst case scenario, I suppose, he plays out the next two years, and we franchise tag him two years in a row. By that time, he'd actually be 30... But ideally, we'd sign him to a six year contract right now, so it expires when he is 33. I can see six years, $45 mill, $15 guaranteed. (and maybe more)

Jerious Norwood should ideally stick around for a long time, but he's not an absolute priority if he starts demanding big money - suitable replacements can be found in the draft if necessary, and we can't afford to have too much cash loaded at RB. However, he seems like a grounded guy, and one who buys into the team concept, so hopefully he will accept somewhere in the region of $2mill p.a.

Jonathan Babineaux has really come on leaps and bounds this year, and I'd like to keep him around. That said, he's still not consistent enough to be a MUST keep, especially if he starts looking for big money. A team like the Colts, whose system he would fit perfectly, might offer significant money to lure him away. I like Babs, but he's not irreplaceable.

Michael Jenkins is a guy I'd really like to keep. He's a great blocker, has proven that he can make the play when in 1-on-1 coverage, and doesn't make any fuss whatsoever about how many balls come his way. As long as he doesn't ask for anything silly, I'd keep him. He's also still quite young. By the time Douglas and Robinson come up for resigning, we can reassess...

Michael Boley has to be resigned, so long as he doesn't ask for anything stupid. I think he's been good this year - it's more that he hasn't had to carry the defense, like he did last year, because others have been stepping up. Moreover, we're going to have to let go of Brooking eventually, and Boley can fill that leadership void. Boley will get paid, hopefully not too much, but I can see $5mill p.a. easily.

Domonique Foxworth has not proven himself just yet, but I do expect him to be resigned and be a consistently good, if not great, corner. He should want to stay in Atlanta, having just settled here, and seems a well grounded guy. As long as we aren't blown out of the water financially, then I'd think that he'll stay. Somewhere around $3 mill per year, I'd guess.

Chauncey Davis is a useful player to have as a backup, but we could draft or sign a replacement in a heartbeat. Davis may even want to go elsewhere to at least give himself a chance to compete for a starting spot. If we can keep him for minor cost, great. But this is the kind of player that moves on at the end of his contract.

Michael Koenen has performed consistently well for us, and there is no reason not to resign him. It's not as if he is going to ask for much money, he's a punter. I expect him to be here long-term.

Tyson Clabo
Harvey Dahl
: I'll deal with both of these guys together. I'd like them both to stay long-term. Even if they don't remain starters (any maybe they will, they've certainly done well enough this year), they're great backups, and have a great attitude. What they'll cost is a big mystery. On the one hand, they're UDFAs who have minimal starting experience, and should like the situation they're in. On the other, their agent will be able to point to a whole year of starting and performing at a high level. They won't be cheap, but they shouldn't be too expensive either.

I think we can keep all or most of our free agents, but if that happens we will be spending a significant chunk - both cap and cash - and as a result I would not expect us to dip heavily into free agency. And that's fine by me.
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What is funny here is that heading into this season most of those guys would have been expendable. We have going for us is that we are a team on the upswing with a coaching staff that players want to play for. I would like to sign the majority of them. The guy I think we may pass on is actually Michael Boley and not because we do not want him, but because a) his contract demands and b) OLB is not as important a position in Mike Smith's D.

Roddy White and Jerious Norwood will definitely be Falcons long term. Teams need 2 backs these days and Norwood is the perfect compliment to Turner and the front office Im sure realizes that. Plus he isnt going to get starter money on the market anyways.

Clabo and Dahl will come back because of their restricted status and I could see us drafting a G/T prospect that could compete for a starting spot should we lose one in 2010. I would prefer signing Clabo if we could only sign one just because of his versatility.

Chauncey Davis is replacable in the draft.
J. Babs has played well and is coming along as we hoped but does he ideally fit Smith's scheme at DT? Normally you see Smith grab those BIG 2 gappers which Babs clearly is not, but he adds the pentration and lateral quickness that maybe Smith is learning to appreciate.

Jenkins and Foxworth wont be big money guys so they should easily be retained.
And Koenen is a punter. Dont see why we cannot resign a punter to reasonable money.

To summarize I think these guys are part of our foundation as most are young and quality players for us. It should be interesting to see what happens. I think most interesting is Boley. Do we let him go to resign maybe 3 others and look to the draft to replace him. Its tough to find someone to play the SLB spot though.
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Why don't you post here more often? I like this site way better than FF.
I actually come through these forums everyday I just dont post here much. I really like the site alot just never really got into posting often. I plan on frequenting more often though.
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I believe all these guys are due to either get a new contract or become free agents either in 2009 or 2010

Roddy White
Jerious Norwood
Jonathan Babineaux

Michael Jenkins
Michael Boley
Domonique Foxworth
Chauncey Davis
Michael Koenen
Tyson Clabo
Harvey Dahl


I think we can all agree that we'd like to see most or all of those guys stick around. The question is can the Falcons afford to pay them all market value. A good season by a team tends to raise the value of it's free agents.
Those I bolded I feel we really need to keep, and the others i think we should try to. If Jenkins continues, he'd become a great player to keep. He's been inconsistent in the past, but as for the present, he is playing great and if that keeps up the rest of the year, try and keep him
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