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Old 11-13-2008, 06:13 PM    (permalink
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This is based on that our pick is somewhere between 23-32. This draft is obviously what I would like done. Notice that I have us drafting a lot of Missouri players and that is because they all fill positions of need in my opinion.



-Indy trades Antoine Bethea to Denver for their 2nd round pick.(Bethea will be in his last year of his contract so that is always the best time to trade someone expendable on the roster. Safety is one of our deepest positions and we could start Bullitt, Marlin Jackson(since Jackson hasnt been working at CB), or Giordano in Bethea's place)

1st round- WR Jeremy Macklin, WR/KR, Missouri(Harrison should do the Colts a favor and retire after the season after the way he has looked up this this point in the season. Macklin would be a great deep threat for us and would bring a lot of speed to our WR core. He can also return kicks as well)

2nd round(from Denver)- Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri(Keiaho will probably leave after his contract is up and the only other dependable OLB I can see at this point is Session. Hagler is always hurt and Wheeler is meant more for MLB. Weatherspoon can do everything well at the OLB position and would be a great addition to this speedy core of LBs)

2nd round- Evander Hood, DT, Missouri(Gives us another big body to rotate in at DT. He, like Weatherspoon, also does everything well at his position)

3rd round- Roy Miller, DT, Texas(Again, helps us with our DT rotation and after these 2 moves to get Hood and Miller, our DT position is pretty well set)

4th round- Asher Allen, CB, Georgia(We need depth at CB with all the injuries we have been having there)

5th round- Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane(Gives us some depth there if we were to get rid of Diem's big contract)

6th round- Best RB available(preferably a power back)

7th round- Best CB available

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Trading Antoine Bethea, drafting Maclin, drafting a LB so early, not drafting a DT earlier than late round 2 are my main complaints. What's with 3 Mizzou players so early, and (especially with trading Bethea) not one of them being William Moore?
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Sounds like he wants Bullitt to start?
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The Bethea trade is probably wishful thinking. Polian isn't savvy in trading a player for a pick though, the last time he did it was ... Gerome Sapp? And I think it was for their late round pick they traded Baltimore for the Syracuse DE whose name I can't recall right now.

And, well, the Colts put RFA Jason David out on a line and the Saints took the bait. They were able to get a 4th round pick for him, which they used in getting Tony Ugoh I think it worked out.

I wouldn't count on a Bethea trade happening though. But if he leaves in FA after '09 and signs a big deal, hopefully he'll get the team a great compensatory pick for the '11 Draft. Seems weird to talk that far off, but you get the point.
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Jackson hasn't been working out at CB? News to me.
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I don't think a WR is the best use of a first round pick. We still have Wayne and Gonzalez, also Roy Hall and Garcon who looks good. I think that a WR should be drafted at some point but not the first round. Espcially when there are so many holes on the D-line.
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I didn't catch that, yeah I wouldn't agree either. Although I now side with Dam that Kelvin Hayden is probably the better overall corner of the two. But Jackson is very close and when he's playing his best football, he can really get it done.

I'm kind of torn about CB and the Colts. I want Hayden and Jackson to be re-signed, to stay with the team, but on the other hand this defense can probably do with them as we've seen recently with Ratliff and Jennings plus youngsters in Hughes and Coe. Overall though, I must admit I'd still like to see Hayden and Jackson stay.

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I don't think a WR is the best use of a first round pick. We still have Wayne and Gonzalez, also Roy Hall and Garcon who looks good. I think that a WR should be drafted at some point but not the first round. Espcially when there are so many holes on the D-line.
I dig what the Packers have done, continuing to build up their receiving core with a 2nd or 3rd round pick every year ('06 2nd Greg Jennings, '07 3rd Jason Jones, '07 5th David Clowney, '08 2nd round Jordy Nelson). And I get that the Colts want to supply Peyton with weapons, so he can lead the offense and the team as a whole to success, but does every weapon really have to be a 1st round pick? How about signing a cheap lower-tier free agent to look better in the offense?

Now having said that, depending where the Colts pick and who is available, the best player available could very well be a WR. Everyone is so focused on a DT - you think the Packers don't wish they drafted Dwayne Bowe instead of Justin Harrell? DTs are expendable, almost as much as RBs imo. WRs are not expendable, plus they can last for over a decade. They can be worth their second contracts. Tommie Harris doesn't look worth his second contract right now.

I don't expect Maclin to reach anywhere near the Colts pick, so junior Darrius Heyward-Bey of Maryland probably then becomes the focus (and even he might not reach the Colts' pick). He's a 6-3/205 with probably sub-4.4 speed, he is certainly impressive, and might even be smarter than the regular Maryland player. Does he fit the Colts' profile, especially at WR? Who knows, we'll see.

The one thing that pushes for the idea of a first round WR is the rest of the class afterwards. Especially if the Colts are looking for speed, but also the character and brains to play in the offense, the potential finds probably aren't many at all. If they do cut Dead Weight 88 after this season, they definitely need to add a fifth receiver to the roster then. I do like Garcon though, too bad Peyton underthrew him on his first (?) catch last week, and am excited about the prospect of Hall although he's had very tough lucky with injuries thus far.

Again though, I wouldn't mind the team to look at cheap free agent receiver to plug into the offense, ala Brandon Stokley in '03 (the horrible mistake came when Polian signed him to that ridiculous contract in '04, so stupid). Even if it's speed, maybe Devery Henderson of the Saints could be an option if he can keep catching the ball.
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Marlin wasn't having a very good year before the injury. I could see chalking it up to a bad year, but he definitely needs to look more like 2007 Marlin Jackson than 2008 Marlin Jackson in 2009. You could say DT play had a little to do with it though, Marlin had to play off a lot because of safeties coming up, IMO he's much better when he can jam his man.
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Marlin wasn't having a very good year before the injury. I could see chalking it up to a bad year, but he definitely needs to look more like 2007 Marlin Jackson than 2008 Marlin Jackson in 2009. You could say DT play had a little to do with it though, Marlin had to play off a lot because of safeties coming up, IMO he's much better when he can jam his man.
Marlin and the rest of the D, I realise Marlin was better last year, but so was Bethea etc. I think the whole D is just having a down year, rather than Marlin personally.
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Now having said that, depending where the Colts pick and who is available, the best player available could very well be a WR. Everyone is so focused on a DT - you think the Packers don't wish they drafted Dwayne Bowe instead of Justin Harrell? DTs are expendable, almost as much as RBs imo. WRs are not expendable, plus they can last for over a decade. They can be worth their second contracts. Tommie Harris doesn't look worth his second contract right now.
I'm looking at DT as the top option right now, but honestly, if there's not a worthwhile 3-tech there, then the value isn't there in round 1. It has to be a guy like Tommie Harris (before all the injuries), Kevin Williams, Warren Sapp, or what many people expect Glenn Dorsey will be. As of now, I can think of two players who could potentially declare and fit that bill: Sen'Derrick Marks of Auburn and Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma. If those one of those two aren't available, Brian Orakpo and William Moore are the most intriguing options, after that I wouldn't mind WR or even trading down.
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On a general note, Oklahoma guys terrify me, given how many of them have been busts. Harris and AD might be the only exceptions I can think of.
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On a general note, Oklahoma guys terrify me, given how many of them have been busts. Harris and AD might be the only exceptions I can think of.
The same could be said about Auburn players, especially defenders. I wouldn't want the Colts to let history scare them away from a great talent.
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I want to see Sen'Derrick in a Colts jersey, so so much.
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