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Old 11-23-2008, 08:13 PM    (permalink
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I think Pitt steamrolls them by at least 21
Our defensive line will eat Pittsys Oline for breakfest. Id think theyd beat us, but no way by double digits. Not with the way Cassel has been playing.
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I gotta give Cassel a lot of credit; he actually made throws today. It was pretty impressive. He wasn't limited in the offense very much and did some nice things with his mobility. Finally made use of the guys around him. He's still nowhere near the quarterback Brady was/is, but he's in a pretty good situation down the stretch. He's probably going to lose some offseason money next week against Pittsburgh though.
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Tom came out gunslinging it right from the beginning, lit up the Colts and then started lighting up everybody. Can't believe were even having this discussion. Is Cassel going to take Brady's job?
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Tom came out gunslinging it right from the beginning, lit up the Colts and then started lighting up everybody. Can't believe were even having this discussion. Is Cassel going to take Brady's job?
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I like Cassell a lot, he had a great game today and has showed a lot of talent and toughness this season. The Steelers defense will be a big challenge for him and I can't wait to see how he does.
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I think alot of this game will hing on what Roethlisberger shows up. If the good Big Ben shows up then the Patriots are in trouble, but if the bad Big Ben shows up then the Patriots have a shot. Hopefully Matt Light can play next week to keep Cassel on his feet as much as possible, because he will get sacked at least a few times by Pittsburgh. If Cassel plays like he has the last two weeks and the line can give him some time I think the Patriots have a good chance. The Pats' defense really needs to step up next week.
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Okay Pats fans, I have a hypothetical for you, call it the worst case scenario: What if the infection in Brady's knee takes hold as the surgeons fear, he has to have a new ligament replacement surgery, and he's out for the 2009 season. Do the Pats franchise Cassel? Do they still let him walk? Or do they sign him long term?
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Not a Pats fan but here are my thoughts.

Franchise him.

Don't have to commit long term on a possible fluke and he will still have to play for a new contract again.

We all know he doesn't "deserve" a franchise tag, both financially and in principle, but I find it to be the best solution.

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Okay Pats fans, I have a hypothetical for you, call it the worst case scenario: What if the infection in Brady's knee takes hold as the surgeons fear, he has to have a new ligament replacement surgery, and he's out for the 2009 season. Do the Pats franchise Cassel? Do they still let him walk? Or do they sign him long term?
Well thats already been taken care of so no worries there but i would imagine we franchise him. I can see us doing that even with a healthy Brady just to make sure Brady is ready to go again and if not we'll have a solid back up.
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I would franchise him for at least next year. God forbid that Tom is not ready for the beginning of next year, then Cassel would still be around to lead the team.
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I thought i heard this today on one of the pregame shows, Cassell is the 1st Patriots QB to throw for 400 yards in back to back games
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I thought i heard this today on one of the pregame shows, Cassell is the 1st Patriots QB to throw for 400 yards in back to back games
I just heard Boomer say that he is only the 5th QB to go for over 400 in back to back games along with Dan Marino, Phil Simms, Billy Volek, Dan Fouts.
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So, do people still think he doesn't come close to their revisionist memory of '01 Brady?
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01 Brady's team

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I like Cassell a lot, he had a great game today and has showed a lot of talent and toughness this season. The Steelers defense will be a big challenge for him and I can't wait to see how he does.
I think it's going to be difficult and I won't be too critical on him if he loses. The reason for that being that without Matt Light in the game he will be harassed much like Ben Roethlisberger will be.

However, we are watching the emergence of a quarterback and I think it's a beautiful thing. I've been a Cassell fan for a while and am glad that he's turning into the QB I thought he could be. He's going to make Minnesota a very competitive team next year.
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Not a Pats fan but here are my thoughts.

Franchise him.

Don't have to commit long term on a possible fluke and he will still have to play for a new contract again.

We all know he doesn't "deserve" a franchise tag, both financially and in principle, but I find it to be the best solution.
How much cap-space do the Patriots have? Do they really have enough wiggle room to commit 11 million dollars of their cap to their backup QB?
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His days as a Patriot are numbered now. Brady is their starter no matter what.
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that's extremely lazy and bad reasoning to boot. do you next plan to argue that joe montana is actually a really average quarterback?
I'm surprised it took this long.

That said, I AM too lazy to go any further atm.

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Cassell is playing well right now yes, after two very impressive performances i as a pats fan feel a little bit better everytime i see his arm come back to throw the ball. I for one do not believe this is the same situation as Brady, mostly because as already stated the talent level around Cassell and that of Brady are just so far apart its not even fair. Not to take anything away from Cassells play, but Brady played that way with this team every game last year. It could be argued that he was more comfortable with the system, but that first game against the Jets last year when Moss lit up that secondary proved how great of a Qb Brady is having had no playing time with Moss, so i dont think that argument does anything but prove Brady is on another Level. Could Cassell become a huge name star Qb? It looks like he has all the right tools to do so, but in all seriousness, imo Cassell is no Brady.
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I wonder how much of it is a system. I'm not saying it's like Florida or Texas Tech. I'm not saying it's that Cassel isn't good. But two relatively unknown college quarterbacks just don't magically turn all pro under the same coach by coincidence. I think coach has some mastermind scheme.
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I wonder how much of it is a system. I'm not saying it's like Florida or Texas Tech. I'm not saying it's that Cassel isn't good. But two relatively unknown college quarterbacks just don't magically turn all pro under the same coach by coincidence. I think coach has some mastermind scheme.
Excellent scouting + untapped potential + at least 2 years in the same system + steady coaching staff = Tom Brady's and currently Matt Cassell's success.
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completely meaningless given that the comparison was based on each player's first season, thus how brady did last year with the same team is irrelevant. moreso when you consider that the playcalling is VASTLY different for reasons only belichick knows.
True but i was just trying to point out Brady didnt have expreience with Moss in that first game either.
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