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Old 11-24-2008, 02:56 PM    (permalink
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Matt Forte has 30% of the Bears offensive yards, leading the team in rushing, receptions and TDs, he has 266 touches and only fumbled once
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mckelvin is starting to look like a very good football player
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I'm surprised McKelvin had 2 Ints yesterday, wasn't his ball skills one of his biggest knocks coming out?
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Matt Ryan has been playing great at QB. But Horton is just flat out playing at a pro-bowl level as a rookie.

Ryan isn't. He's playing great for a rookie. Horton is playing better than most guys who have some tenure in the league.
So is Matt Ryan. He is a top ten QB as a rookie. Horton isn't a top ten safety.
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I think after the last 2 weeks performance, McKelvin deserves to be on that list. His picks werent like tipped passes or anything like that, he jump the route and pick them off.
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Isn't Rodgers-Cromartie playing better than McKelvin? Heck, isn't he playing better than his cousin?!
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:48 PM    (permalink
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Id give the DROY to Horton if it were up to me. Horton reminds me a lot of Troy Polumalu. He's just all over the place, and plays tough.

Id love to have a SS like that :( Reese let one slip by him :(

Horton is a big reason why the Skins have the 3rd ranked D in the league.
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Id give the DROY to Horton if it were up to me. Horton reminds me a lot of Troy Polumalu. He's just all over the place, and plays tough.

Id love to have a SS like that :( Reese let one slip by him :(

Horton is a big reason why the Skins have the 3rd ranked D in the league.
We weren't going to draft 2 safties with the guys we had. You have to be happy with the way Phillips is playing up to this point.
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We weren't going to draft 2 safties with the guys we had. You have to be happy with the way Phillips is playing up to this point.
oh im estatic about Phillips. its just that it wouldve been so sweet to have Horton too lol :(

he really is an amazing player. a stud in the making.
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Matt Ryan has been playing great at QB. But Horton is just flat out playing at a pro-bowl level as a rookie.

Ryan isn't. He's playing great for a rookie. Horton is playing better than most guys who have some tenure in the league.
Ryan is playing like a top10 QB in the NFL as of now. 13th in passer rating. 6th in YPA. He throws an interception every 51.6 attempts (Rivers: 32.7, Brees: 26.2, P Manning: 42.4). Gets a first down 35.8% of the time (which is good for 7th in the league).

And even if he isn't at a pro bowl level, his feat is much much more impressive.
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Ryan is playing like a top10 QB in the NFL as of now. 13th in passer rating. 6th in YPA. He throws an interception every 51.6 attempts (Rivers: 32.7, Brees: 26.2, P Manning: 42.4). Gets a first down 35.8% of the time (which is good for 7th in the league).

And even if he isn't at a pro bowl level, his feat is much much more impressive.
13th in passer rating, 14th in TDs, 12th in yards, and 21st in completion percentage does not equal top 10. He's playing very well, and crazy good for a rookie, but no he is not "playing like a top10 QB in the NFL as of now".
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He may not be playing with the best of them at this point, but what he has shown and what he has done as a rookie quarterback far exceeds anything a safety can do in the league short of winning DPOY.
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13th in passer rating, 14th in TDs, 12th in yards, and 21st in completion percentage does not equal top 10. He's playing very well, and crazy good for a rookie, but no he is not "playing like a top10 QB in the NFL as of now".
He has been near flawless in most games. The only reason he isn't a top ten QB stats wise is because we run the ball in the redzone, see Michael Turner's 13 touchdown rushes.

And either way, a QB playing at his level is much more impressive than a strong safety playing at Horton's level.
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He has been near flawless in most games. The only reason he isn't a top ten QB stats wise is because we run the ball in the redzone, see Michael Turner's 13 touchdown rushes.

And either way, a QB playing at his level is much more impressive than a strong safety playing at Horton's level.
I wasn't saying that or taking anything away from Ryan. He just isn't a top ten QB...yet.
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How many games has MR won himself? One? He doesn't scare me yet. Shut down Turner, double up on Roddy, take an early lead....**** hits the fan. Two of those three are easily attainable when ATL plays a great team. (The Panthers are NOT great)
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13th in passer rating, 14th in TDs, 12th in yards, and 21st in completion percentage does not equal top 10. He's playing very well, and crazy good for a rookie, but no he is not "playing like a top10 QB in the NFL as of now".
I guess it was wrong of me to bring in statistics. I think the way he plays deserves to be top 10 (name me 10 QBs who are better than him, and I could tell you that 2-3 of them may be arguable).

Its going to be hard for him to do better in TDs, considering his RB is the NFL's rushing TD leader with 14 and usually gets them at the goal line. If we didn't run with him so much in the redzone, Ryan could have a couple more TDs (who knows. he might just end up throwing picks in the endzone as usual). In defense of that, he may be 14th in TDs, but he is also 15th in attempts.

His 310 attempts also hold him back from gaining as many yards as the other guys (it could go either way though), which is why I used YPA.

His completion percentage does need to be better though. His completion percentage in his last 7 games is 64% though.
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I guess it was wrong of me to bring in statistics. I think the way he plays deserves to be top 10 (name me 10 QBs who are better than him, and I could tell you that 2-3 of them may be arguable).

Its going to be hard for him to do better in TDs, considering his RB is the NFL's rushing TD leader with 14 and usually gets them at the goal line. If we didn't run with him so much in the redzone, Ryan could have a couple more TDs (who knows. he might just end up throwing picks in the endzone as usual). In defense of that, he may be 14th in TDs, but he is also 15th in attempts.

His 310 attempts also hold him back from gaining as many yards as the other guys (it could go either way though), which is why I used YPA.

His completion percentage does need to be better though. His completion percentage in his last 7 games is 64% though.
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Ryan is playing like a top10 QB in the NFL as of now. 13th in passer rating. 6th in YPA. He throws an interception every 51.6 attempts (Rivers: 32.7, Brees: 26.2, P Manning: 42.4). Gets a first down 35.8% of the time (which is good for 7th in the league).

And even if he isn't at a pro bowl level, his feat is much much more impressive.
Wow, Those numbers are eerily Similar to Roethlisbergers rookie year and we all know that he's merely a game manager.

Then again, he won ROTY in 04. So I can see it.

But again. Horton is playing Better at SS than Ryan at QB. Thats not a slam on Ryan saying he's playing poorly, thats just a testament to how Great Horton has been playing.

Ryan will probably win OROY.

My point is, Horton has been the best rookie starter in the league. His play would be top 5 SS right now IMO. I'd probably go...

Polamalu, Sanders, Horton.
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Peyton, Brady, Brees, Romo, Campbell, Favre, Jay Cutler, (Chad Pennington), Warner, Eli kinda, Rivers, Hasselbeck with a lil help and injury, Palmer when healthy
Oh. I was just talking about this year. I do not think he is going to take down established guys like Palmer and Brady who aren't playing this year.

From that list, Cutler is a guy who is iffy. He throws more TDs, but has some of them at the goal line. Regardless, his TD-INT ratio is 1.58, while Ryan's is 1.83. While Cutler may have more yards, Ryan has less attempts, and his 7.8 YPA tops Cutler's 7.5. Completion percentage hurts Ryan because of his early mistakes, but even at 60.0%, Cutler is only 0.6% better.

Out of those guys, I personally would take Ryan over Hasselbeck and Campbell this year. Campbell is debatable, but as you can see, there is some doubt.
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Oh. I was just talking about this year. I do not think he is going to take down established guys like Palmer and Brady who aren't playing this year.

From that list, Cutler is a guy who is iffy. He throws more TDs, but has some of them at the goal line. Regardless, his TD-INT ratio is 1.58, while Ryan's is 1.83. While Cutler may have more yards, Ryan has less attempts, and his 7.8 YPA tops Cutler's 7.5. Completion percentage hurts Ryan because of his early mistakes, but even at 60.0%, Cutler is only 0.6% better.

Out of those guys, I personally would take Ryan over Hasselbeck and Campbell this year. Campbell is debatable, but as you can see, there is some doubt.

Fun Fact: Broncos rushing game is 19th in the league
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