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Old 11-25-2008, 04:25 PM    (permalink
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Thrilled.

Big money for Jenkins - 4 years, 20 mill, but that's the nature of the game these days.

Both high character players who've really come into their own this year.

See AF.com, and ajc for Jenks' cash.
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this is great news. Way to go Arthur. Only a few more to sign
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Thrilled.

Big money for Jenkins - 4 years, 20 mill, but that's the nature of the game these days.

Both high character players who've really come into their own this year.

See AF.com, and ajc for Jenks' cash.
oh man. that's way too much for jenkins. he is not worth that much. but then again, they paid matt ryan heftily and it turned out well. i hope this isnt just a contract year performance for jenkins.
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This really is great news, predictable, but still great news.

This front office will look to re-sign almost everyone that has made this team's chemistry what it is. No doubt there will be some with the $ amount leaving us scratching our heads (overpaid/underpaid) but Rich McKay is the best contract guy in the business and TD is, well, TD. We can trust them that they wont "Al Davis" this team up with bad contracts, even if the numbers are big, you can bet they are backloaded, incentive laden or something else that we, as fans dont even know about.

I think there will be one guy we expect to re-sign but wont. I think they will want more money than we are prepared to give, im not in favour of loosing anyone (cept Brooking if he still thinks he is worth 8 mil) but i belive we will loose on of my favourite players due to their own ego. IMO one of Boley or Foxworth are likely candtidates to want too much cash. Hope Im wrong and they learn from what D Hall did.

Now TD sign Dahl, Clabo, Foxworth and Boley.


Also just saw this on AFMB- Props to he poster IT WASNT ME. But look at the comparisons. Jenkins' deal is fine

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Alright get this. First off, Jenkins is a STARTING WR in for a team. That means naturally he's going to get a little more money. Now let's look around the league at other starting WRs.

Laveranues Coles has a 5 year 25 million contract.
Chris Chambers has a 5 year 30 million contract.
Donte Stallworth has a 7 year 35 million contract.
Antwuan Randell El has a 7 year 31 million contract.

Seems about right in the middle. So 4 years 20 million is not too much. It's average.
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not sure on the Jenkins deal. You could have gotten a similar talent in the draft for less, plus you already have 3 good wideouts.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:12 PM    (permalink
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I like it, Jenkins appears to have gained some chemistry with Ryan over the course of the season, and all QB's love to throw it up to tall receivers. Babineaux is a stud as well. Laurent Robinson seems kind of worthless now though.
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not sure on the Jenkins deal. You could have gotten a similar talent in the draft for less, plus you already have 3 good wideouts.
We have other areas to explore, signing Jenkins basically saves us a pick.
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Roddy White ---------------- Michael Jenkins
-----TE?--------------- Harry Douglas

________MATT RYAN_________

Offense will fun to watch for years, now just need a TE.
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Laurent Robinson seems kind of worthless now though.
a shame.. i really want him to play well in a falcons uniform. seems like the hard work ethic isn't there but i think he has really good potential and with his size, he can be a more than formidable wideout in the league.
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Michael Jenkins has never been anything but average. If we want him to be Matt Ryan's second target then I am disappointed. The smart team (ie Colts) will surround your QB with top weapons.

Examples-

Marvin Harrison (round 1, pick 19)
Edgerrin James (round 1, pick 4)
Reggie Wayne (round 1, pick 30)
Dallas Clark (round 1, pick 24)

That's not to mention the offensive line. Unless Jenkins all of the sudden becomes a good receiver, I don't like this deal. I would much, much rather spend that money on Roddy White, Jerious Norwood, Michael Boley, Harvey Dahl, Tyson Clabo, or even Chauncey Davis.

Babineaux, well it depends on how much money he gets.
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Michael Jenkins has never been anything but average. If we want him to be Matt Ryan's second target then I am disappointed. The smart team (ie Colts) will surround your QB with top weapons.

Examples-

Marvin Harrison (round 1, pick 19)
Edgerrin James (round 1, pick 4)
Reggie Wayne (round 1, pick 30)
Dallas Clark (round 1, pick 24)

That's not to mention the offensive line. Unless Jenkins all of the sudden becomes a good receiver, I don't like this deal. I would much, much rather spend that money on Roddy White, Jerious Norwood, Michael Boley, Harvey Dahl, Tyson Clabo, or even Chauncey Davis.

Babineaux, well it depends on how much money he gets.
I disagree, i think Jenkins is clearly an above average/good reciever based on this year, and, remember, this year is what the staff as basing things on. He has cut down his drops and become quite clutch, that is in addition to his great size, good speed, great blocking, good route running and excellent attitude.

Babineaux was 5 years 25 million. He is one top 10 or so 4/3 UTs IMO. Will only improve
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Jenkins is on pace for over 700 yards so he is having a solid year. If we lost him we would have had to bring someone else in since Robinson can't be counted on. So we would have either signed a FA which would have cost just as much money. Or we would have spent a mid round pick on a WR who might not even pan out. The more years Ryan and our WR core play together the better off everyone will be.
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5 million a year for Jenkins is still a lot. He's benefited from having Roddy on the other side getting double teams and defenses stacking the box. He's just "ok". That being said, there are worse receivers out there making more money. I just don't want to see all this money holding us back from signing our core players or getting a valuable free agent.

We have a young, talented team that has room to grow but we aren't a superbowl contender yet. We won't reach there either if we give big money to all our current players.
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Ryan Purvis should be the guy you target in the third. And the comment about needing more players, I understand that, but it wouldn't have cost you more then a 4th to get you a talent, with the depth at WR, and to be your 4th wideout rather then giving Jenkins that much money.
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I disagree, i think Jenkins is clearly an above average/good reciever based on this year, and, remember, this year is what the staff as basing things on. He has cut down his drops and become quite clutch, that is in addition to his great size, good speed, great blocking, good route running and excellent attitude.

Babineaux was 5 years 25 million. He is one top 10 or so 4/3 UTs IMO. Will only improve
Jenkins may be 'above average'. If we want a truly elite offense we don't need a slightly above average receiver as our second option. This is his 'breakout year' and he is on pace for under 800 yards.
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Jenkins may be 'above average'. If we want a truly elite offense we don't need a slightly above average receiver as our second option. This is his 'breakout year' and he is on pace for under 800 yards.
If the future plays out like this year we are going to have a elite QB, elite HB, elite #1 WR, good #2 HB, and above avg. slot WR. With a improved TE and OL over the next few years we can become a elite offense with a above average #2 WR.
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Busy at work, or I'd do it myself, but I'd be interested if someone wanted to compile a list of #2 receivers for the sake of comparison...
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Resigning Jenkins and Babs was smart. Jenkins did not get that much money on an NFL scale. It doesn't matter that Jenkins dropped a lot of Vick's horrible passes. He's not playing with Vick anymore. The Falcons front office is continuing to make smart moves.
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Busy at work, or I'd do it myself, but I'd be interested if someone wanted to compile a list of #2 receivers for the sake of comparison...

Here is the NFC

Anquain Bolden - 73 for 879, 11 TD (is really a #1) $4.5M and about to get a big deal

Donald Driver - 49 for 615, 3 TD - $5.6M

Muhsin Muhammed - 45 for 601, 4 TD - $1.1 M

* Devery Henderson - 23 for 563, 3 TD

Michael Jenkins - 33 for 498, 3 TD

Antwaan Randell El - 39 for 473, 2 TD -$2.7M

Donnie Avery - 35 for 499, 2 TD

Bobby Wade - 39 for 408, 1 TD

Amani Toomer - 34 for 395, 3 TD - $5.2 M

Pat Crayton - 29 for 396, 3 TD (was the #2 most of the year)

Rashied Davis - 30 for 379, 2 TD

* Hank Baskett - 23 for 367, 3 TD

Bryant Johnson - 27 for 337, 2 TD

Ike Hillard - 36 for 331, 4 TD

* Koren Robinson - 20 for 245, 2 TD

Shaun Mcdonald - 31 for 288, 1 TD


* - Not sure who the #2 is because of injuries
$ per sportscity.com not sure if it's accurate
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So, NFC teams with a better #2 than us (and this is ignoring two of the biggest reasons we resigned Jenkins: blocking, and team attitude):

Arizona (ridiculous pairing, and imbalanced attack)
Packers (as a result of Jennings emerging, Driver used to be #1)
Cowboys (paid handsomely for Williams as a #2)
Carolina (Moose will not last much longer)
Saints (Henderson has big numbers, but is basically just a deep threat, and has plenty of drops; offensive imbalance has been their downfall)

Jenkins is not just above average, he's a good #2 (and does a lot more than most of those others, and never cries about how many balls come his way).

Better to enjoy that we will have a well settled (and, at this rate, very successful) passing attack for years to come, than whine about the fact that we don't have an elite #2 like the Colts, Cardinals, or Cowboys.
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So, NFC teams with a better #2 than us (and this is ignoring two of the biggest reasons we resigned Jenkins: blocking, and team attitude):

Arizona (ridiculous pairing, and imbalanced attack)
Packers (as a result of Jennings emerging, Driver used to be #1)
Cowboys (paid handsomely for Williams as a #2)
Carolina (Moose will not last much longer)
Saints (Henderson has big numbers, but is basically just a deep threat, and has plenty of drops; offensive imbalance has been their downfall)

Jenkins is not just above average, he's a good #2 (and does a lot more than most of those others, and never cries about how many balls come his way).

Better to enjoy that we will have a well settled (and, at this rate, very successful) passing attack for years to come, than whine about the fact that we don't have an elite #2 like the Colts, Cardinals, or Cowboys.
you have a valid point but the thing that bothers me is that it's just been one year. actually not even.. there have been countless players who play well one year and disappear for the rest of their career.
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Another thing about Jenkins is that he has been consistent and doesn't have one big game that paded his stats. He has between 48-72 yards in each of the last 6 games. He stats have got better as the year went on which is to be expected with a rookie QB. I also don't remember him droping near as many balls as White and other have.
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you have a valid point but the thing that bothers me is that it's just been one year. actually not even.. there have been countless players who play well one year and disappear for the rest of their career.
Well if you want to look at it that way then look at our #1 receiver Roddy White. His big year was last year and he's even better this year.
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Guys dont forget Michael Jenkins is also on the other side of Roddy White who is 3rd in the NFL in receiving yards, and Michael Turner is 3rd in the NFL in rushing yards. Those stats are great when atlanta as a lot more weapons offensevly, and when you look at his blocking for his size and his attitude, he deserves every penny.
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So, NFC teams with a better #2 than us (and this is ignoring two of the biggest reasons we resigned Jenkins: blocking, and team attitude):

Arizona (ridiculous pairing, and imbalanced attack)
Packers (as a result of Jennings emerging, Driver used to be #1)
Cowboys (paid handsomely for Williams as a #2)
Carolina (Moose will not last much longer)
Saints (Henderson has big numbers, but is basically just a deep threat, and has plenty of drops; offensive imbalance has been their downfall)

Jenkins is not just above average, he's a good #2 (and does a lot more than most of those others, and never cries about how many balls come his way).

Better to enjoy that we will have a well settled (and, at this rate, very successful) passing attack for years to come, than whine about the fact that we don't have an elite #2 like the Colts, Cardinals, or Cowboys.
I can name 2 teams that don't have any better #2 WR's than the Falcons: The Giants and Titans.

Oh, and the teams you named as having better #2 WR's. Yeah, the Falcons are 3-1 against them this season.

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