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Old 11-26-2008, 03:21 PM    (permalink
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Overpaid perhaps, although you never know on the open market what he could have made. I think like some of you have said, the chemistry with Ryan is a big part of this. Coming into the season I thought there was no way I'd want him back, despite how much I liked him coming out, but he's improved. Oh, and good news on Babs as well.
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So, NFC teams with a better #2 than us (and this is ignoring two of the biggest reasons we resigned Jenkins: blocking, and team attitude):

Arizona (ridiculous pairing, and imbalanced attack)
Packers (as a result of Jennings emerging, Driver used to be #1)
Cowboys (paid handsomely for Williams as a #2)
Carolina (Moose will not last much longer)
Saints (Henderson has big numbers, but is basically just a deep threat, and has plenty of drops; offensive imbalance has been their downfall)

Jenkins is not just above average, he's a good #2 (and does a lot more than most of those others, and never cries about how many balls come his way).

Better to enjoy that we will have a well settled (and, at this rate, very successful) passing attack for years to come, than whine about the fact that we don't have an elite #2 like the Colts, Cardinals, or Cowboys.
Otherwise would be settling for mediocrity.

If you have a top talent at QB, you surround him with weapons. Otherwise is stupidity. Michael Jenkins as a number two on a offense that wants to be elite is stupidity.
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I can name 2 teams that don't have any better #2 WR's than the Falcons: The Giants and Titans.

Oh, and the teams you named as having better #2 WR's. Yeah, the Falcons are 3-1 against them this season.
A. Amani Toomer and Steve Smith are both better than Michael Jenkins.
B. That really doesn't matter. Wide receiver is a position that improves a team, they don't make the team.
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A. Amani Toomer and Steve Smith are both better than Michael Jenkins.
B. That really doesn't matter. Wide receiver is a position that improves a team, they don't make the team.
Are you basing that off their careers or this season? This season I'd rather have Michael Jenkins. I know Toomer's like "Mr. 3rd Down" or whatever it is, but Jenkins has been good this season. More yards, a couple more first downs, and the same amount of touchdowns (despite Roddy White being on the field). Those numbers are also with Plaxico hurt some this season. Smith has been good too, but I like Jenkins' height advantage over him.

Career, hard to argue.. at all.

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Are you basing that off their careers or this season? This season I'd rather have Michael Jenkins. I know Toomer's like "Mr. 3rd Down" or whatever it is, but Jenkins has been good this season. More yards, a couple more first downs, and the same amount of touchdowns (despite Roddy White being on the field). Those numbers are also with Plaxico hurt some this season. Smith has been good too, but I like Jenkins' height advantage over him.
The Giants have a deeper receiving core. Burress, Toomer, Smith, Hixon, Moss, Boss. Not to mention Derrick Ward, who catches a lot of passes. Smith and Toomer have fewer opportunities due to being in such deep receiving corps, but still have more receptions than Jenkins, who really has no competiton for the number two receiver spot.
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A. Amani Toomer and Steve Smith are both better than Michael Jenkins.
Says who? You? Irrelevant opinion.
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The Giants have a deeper receiving core. Burress, Toomer, Smith, Hixon, Moss, Boss. Not to mention Derrick Ward, who catches a lot of passes. Smith and Toomer have fewer opportunities due to being in such deep receiving corps, but still have more receptions than Jenkins, who really has no competiton for the number two receiver spot.
I mean, I don't think it's actually that many fewer looks they get. I haven't looked at the numbers but Roddy White has caught like one-third of Matt Ryan's passes. Add in Finneran, Douglas, and Norwood and you have a decent amount of the passes taken up already.
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Bama I understand where your coming from considering we overpaid for a 1 year wonder, but you know what the 1 thing Jenkins has that nobody else does, and that is 12 weeks of practice and an entire peseason. Matt obviously has a connection w/ him and we have been succesful, why take that away?

He has done everything asked of him, blocks well, great attitude, never complains and has performed this season.
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I mean, I don't think it's actually that many fewer looks they get. I haven't looked at the numbers but Roddy White has caught like one-third of Matt Ryan's passes. Add in Finneran, Douglas, and Norwood and you have a decent amount of the passes taken up already.
Eli Manning- 209 completions
Burress- 35 receptions (16.7%)
Amani Toomer- 34 receptions (16.2%)
Steve Smith- 41 receptions (19.6%)
Domenik Hixon- 21 receptions (10%)
Kevin Boss- 23 receptions (11%)
Derek Ward- 31 receptions (14.8%)

Those six players combine for about 86% of Eli Manning's completions. Brandon Jacobs (5 receptions), Sinorice Moss (8 receptions), Ahmad Bradshaw (3 receptions), and Madison Hedgecock (5 receptions) fill out most of the remainder. But I will say six players get a significant amount of receptions, ten percent of the completions or higher.

Matt Ryan- 186 completions
Roddy White- 62 receptions (33.33%)
Michael Jenkins- 33 receptions (17.7%)
Jerious Norwood- 25 receptions (13.4%)

Those three players are the only players on the Falcons with ten percent of Matt Ryan's completions. Those three alone account for almost two thirds of Ryan's completions at roughly 64%. Harry Douglas (16 receptions), Brian Finneran (14 receptions), Justin Peelle (9 receptions), Jason Snelling (7 receptions), Ovie Mughelli (7 receptions), Michael Turner (4 receptions), and Ben Hartsock (3 receptions) form the majority of the remaining receptions.
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Otherwise would be settling for mediocrity.

If you have a top talent at QB, you surround him with weapons. Otherwise is stupidity. Michael Jenkins as a number two on a offense that wants to be elite is stupidity.
A TOP TALENT that really likes his # 2 RECEIVER MICHAEL JENKINS. Who cares if you dont like him, Matt Ryan does and there is no one happier with this than him, im sure of that. Matt Ryan's two biggest throws of his career have been caught by Jenkins. The first of his career and the last one in the bears game with 6 secs left to win it. How bout you surround Matt Ryan with another weapon by getting a TE and not waisting a pick on a WR since there is one infront of our eyes.
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A TOP TALENT that really likes his # 2 RECEIVER MICHAEL JENKINS. Who cares if you dont like him, Matt Ryan does and there is no one happier with this than him, im sure of that. Matt Ryan's two biggest throws of his career have been caught by Jenkins. The first of his career and the last one in the bears game with 6 secs left to win it. How bout you surround Matt Ryan with another weapon by getting a TE and not waisting a pick on a .
One whose 'breakout season' puts him on pace for 48 receptions and less than 800 receiving yards. Right.
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Pass Yards Per Game:

Giants: 202.9

Falcons: 212.5

so comparing those WR number dont mean ****.
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so comparing those WR number dont mean ****.
You are missing the whole point of that post.
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You are missing the whole point of that post.
you're right, but my point is look at the big picture.
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Who is we? Stop being delusional, buddy. It doesn't matter if you want me to post here and it doesn't matter if Jenkins puts up enough fantasy numbers for you. ;)
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One whose 'breakout season' puts him on pace for 48 receptions and less than 800 receiving yards. Right.
o right, we all know stats are all that matter. I mean look at Matt Ryan, he has 309480 yards of intagables and 3490940 yards of leadership.
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If this year has taught us anything it's that there is very little seperating the talent levels of those in the NFL, it all comes down to coaching, attitude and desire from the players. Michael Jenkins has clearly bought in to what the coaches want and has improved GREATLY from previous years, just like roddy did last year when he got confidence/desire. IMO he is doing all we need from a #2 WR right now, plus a bit more, i mean, generally i wouldnt expect a #2 WR to be the one to punish our ex-probowl, chip-on-his-shoulder CB for a TD, win us a game with 6 seconds left, take our rookie QB's first ever pass for a 60 yard TD, be great on 3rd down, have the 2nd most recieving yards and the least drops on our team all in one year...maybe my expectations are too low.

Now take that, and factor in his room for FURTHER improvement, i mean, physically, he has the tools to be an ELITE WR, (wont happen but im just saying) my point is that Jenkins potential is by no means maxed out now, he could greatly improve on what is a already a #2 WR that is above whatd id expect.

Stats only lead you so far. Unless you use NFL.com's gamecenter to grade the falcons its pretty clear that Jenkins is one of Ryan's favourite and most reliable targets. He has always lacked confidence but recently he seems to be getting a bit of swagger about him and has looked good this year.

It is also worthwhile noting that yes, the Colts did surround Manning with weapons so he could put up the fantasy numbers that people seem to want Ryan to equal, but, despite this, it wasnt untill they got themselves some semblence of a defense that they were able to win themselves a championship.
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o right, we all know stats are all that matter. I mean look at Matt Ryan, he has 309480 yards of intagables and 3490940 yards of leadership.
Matt Ryan is quite different. Matt Ryan is producing like a top ten quarterback right now. 88 passer rating, on pace for over 3,500 yards passing. Also, he is a quarterback, who need the intangibles more than any other position.
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If this year has taught us anything it's that there is very little seperating the talent levels of those in the NFL, it all comes down to coaching, attitude and desire from the players. Michael Jenkins has clearly bought in to what the coaches want and has improved GREATLY from previous years, just like roddy did last year when he got confidence/desire. IMO he is doing all we need from a #2 WR right now, plus a bit more, i mean, generally i wouldnt expect a #2 WR to be the one to punish our ex-probowl, chip-on-his-shoulder CB for a TD, win us a game with 6 seconds left, take our rookie QB's first ever pass for a 60 yard TD, be great on 3rd down, have the 2nd most recieving yards and the least drops on our team all in one year...maybe my expectations are too low.

Now take that, and factor in his room for FURTHER improvement, i mean, physically, he has the tools to be an ELITE WR, (wont happen but im just saying) my point is that Jenkins potential is by no means maxed out now, he could greatly improve on what is a already a #2 WR that is above whatd id expect.

Stats only lead you so far. Unless you use NFL.com's gamecenter to grade the falcons its pretty clear that Jenkins is one of Ryan's favourite and most reliable targets. He has always lacked confidence but recently he seems to be getting a bit of swagger about him and has looked good this year.

It is also worthwhile noting that yes, the Colts did surround Manning with weapons so he could put up the fantasy numbers that people seem to want Ryan to equal, but, despite this, it wasnt untill they got themselves some semblence of a defense that they were able to win themselves a championship.
While Jenkins does possess great physical tools (6'4" 215/ 4.38), he just doesn't look any better than average on the field. This is his fifth year in the league and he hasn't done much. He's alright. Servicable.

No point argueing about it, because the deal won't change. But I would have went in a different direction.
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Eli Manning- 209 completions
Burress- 35 receptions (16.7%)
Amani Toomer- 34 receptions (16.2%)
Steve Smith- 41 receptions (19.6%)
Domenik Hixon- 21 receptions (10%)
Kevin Boss- 23 receptions (11%)
Derek Ward- 31 receptions (14.8%)

Those six players combine for about 86% of Eli Manning's completions. Brandon Jacobs (5 receptions), Sinorice Moss (8 receptions), Ahmad Bradshaw (3 receptions), and Madison Hedgecock (5 receptions) fill out most of the remainder. But I will say six players get a significant amount of receptions, ten percent of the completions or higher.

Matt Ryan- 186 completions
Roddy White- 62 receptions (33.33%)
Michael Jenkins- 33 receptions (17.7%)
Jerious Norwood- 25 receptions (13.4%)

Those three players are the only players on the Falcons with ten percent of Matt Ryan's completions. Those three alone account for almost two thirds of Ryan's completions at roughly 64%. Harry Douglas (16 receptions), Brian Finneran (14 receptions), Justin Peelle (9 receptions), Jason Snelling (7 receptions), Ovie Mughelli (7 receptions), Michael Turner (4 receptions), and Ben Hartsock (3 receptions) form the majority of the remaining receptions.
So.. doesn't that just show they get (roughly) the same amount of balls since Roddy is getting so many of them himself? If we swapped Smith for Jenkins I think the numbers are still about the same. Roddy has been getting open and getting a majority of the balls.
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So.. doesn't that just show they get (roughly) the same amount of balls since Roddy is getting so many of them himself? If we swapped Smith for Jenkins I think the numbers are still about the same. Roddy has been getting open and getting a majority of the balls.
What it shows is that where as the majority of the Giants passing offense is spread out among six receivers, the Falcons really have only three legitimate targets. The whole point was showing that Amani Toomer and Steve Smith fight for more touches where as Jenkins is basically our only option at the position.
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A TOP TALENT that really likes his # 2 RECEIVER MICHAEL JENKINS. Who cares if you dont like him, Matt Ryan does and there is no one happier with this than him, im sure of that. Matt Ryan's two biggest throws of his career have been caught by Jenkins. The first of his career and the last one in the bears game with 6 secs left to win it. How bout you surround Matt Ryan with another weapon by getting a TE and not waisting a pick on a WR since there is one infront of our eyes.
100% agree. This is exactly why I feel we resigned him. Matt has a connection w/ him and he is a good football player. Lets not forget Jenkins was a 1st round pick as well. Instead of bashing Jenkins why noy be happy for the guy for having a real good season and making 2 of the best plays for this team this year that will be shown for years.
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No point argueing about it, because the deal won't change. But I would have went in a different direction.
What direction would you have went in? Sign a FA who would have made just as much money as Jenkins. Or would you draft a WR in the 2nd/3rd round? Who might not ever produce more then Jenkins and might take 2 years to make a impact.

As others have said it looks like Ryan likes him and has a connection with him and you do whatever it takes to keep Ryan happy.
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The timing is actually ideal. Douglas and Robinson are bother making peanuts at the moment. If either of them flourishes in the future, they will need new (big) contracts just as Jenkins' deal expires.

Bama wants an elite #2. I don't think it is realistic to demand an elite #2 when we have an elite RB, future elite QB, and close to elite #1 WR, all in the context of not having had even a decent receiver for the past decade.

The Jenkins money is 1, maybe 2 mill per year too much, but it's not going to have a big impact on other players we can bring in, and it means that we don't need to worry about WRs for a while.

Balanced teams win championships. I'd rather have a 4* offense and a 4* defense than a 5* offense and a 3* defense. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
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