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View Poll Results: Who would you choose at 27?
Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas 7 38.89%
Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh 4 22.22%
Aaron Ross, CB, Texas 5 27.78%
Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State 1 5.56%
Dwayne Jarrett, WR, Southern Cal 1 5.56%
Trade the selection away 0 0%
Choose someone else not listed (explain who and why?) 0 0%
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If Revis falls to the Saints I would be ecstatic. Chris Houston or Aaron Ross seem more likely, and both seem to have almost unlimited potential, so I'd be happy with any of the three.
That's why I'm awaiting March 16th, Pittsburgh's Pro day.

In the slight possibility Revis runs an average time around 4.4 that might be enough to slide him down a bit, he's aiming for a lower 4.3 which he is capable of running..and if he gets it his value will go back up.

I think he'll work out very well because individual pro days can maximize conditions, but we'll see.
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1.27 -- CB Darrelle Revis, Pitt
This is an excellent value right here as Revis is the second best cornerback prospect in the draft. I think he'd be very good for our cornerback scheme, especially due to his size, long arms, and fluid hips. I also like that he supports the run well and is a solid tackler. The only drawback I see to him is that his aggressive nature sometimes gets the better of him and he's going to have to learn to refine and hone that on the next level. I think it's a great pick and if Revis falls to us then it would be a draft day gift from the football gods.

Grade -- A

2.58 -- DT Justin Harrell, Tennessee
Harrell is a great prospect in his own right, and is right underneath the top DT's in this draft. He showed what kind of dedication and heart he had last year in the game against Florida where he had a very serious injury but still played. He's a big body run-stuffer who would be able to come in and spell Hollis Thomas or Bryan Young in run situations. The only concern, and it is a big enough concern for me that I have to lower the grade on this pick, I have about him is how well he recovers from his injury.

Grade -- B+

3.89 -- TE Ben Patrick, Delaware
After the University of Miami's Greg Olsen, I think the top TE in the draft is small school prospect Ben Patrick. He is equally adept at running routes and using soft hands to catch the ball as he is at staying along the line and adding extra protection in running situations. For me, he is the best all-around TE in this year's draft. My only concern about him is his that when he played at Duke his production wasn't all that great and he didn't start to emerge until he went down a level in competition. Still, a hell of a pick and one of my favorites.

Grade -- A+

4.119 -- WR Steve Smith, USC
This is another pick that I really like. Smith reminds me of Joe Horn a good bit in that he is a decent blocker, knows how to get open, is a good route-runner, and is deceptively quick. His 40 time at the combine really helped him out and I think him playing alongside Marques Colston would be a really good duo.

Grade -- A

4.121 LB Tim Shaw, Penn State
Tim Shaw is a true team player. He showed that by playing numerous positions in his time at Penn State. He has a tremendous worth ethic and motor. He is a true jack-of-all-trades and it is hard to project him to a certain position and scheme. In the Saints 4-3, he can either be used as an undersized pass rusher or as an outside linebacker. I really like this guy, but I do think that he would be better off in a 3-4. His coverage skills leave a lot to be desired, so I don't think he would be an adequate Will backer. Like I said, I do like the pick, I just don't know what the Saints could do with him. He might possibly be projected to a MLB.

Grade: C

4.122 -- CB Michael Coe, Alabama State
Coe is one of my top sleeper prospects. He had a terrific showing at the East-West Shrine Game and did an admirable job at the Senior Bowl. He has the physical tools in order to make it into the NFL and succeed. He also should perform well in the Saints scheme. I have the same trepidation about him that I do about Ben Patrick.

Grade: B+

5.153 -- DE Jay Moore, Nebraska
Another intriguing prospect in the vein of Tim Shaw. He could be productive as a pass rush specialist. He reminds me of last year's draft choice, Rob Ninkovich. The reasoning your provided for the pick is more than adequate and I wouldn't be suprised if we took a chance on him based on his collegiate production. My only concern would be if he has maxed out his potential, but he seems like a player and I like the pick.

Grade -- B

6.184 -- OT Allen Barbre, Missouri Southern St.
7.201 -- K Andrew Wellock, Eastern Michigan
I like both of these guys, but due to them being in the sixth and seventh round I will refrain from grading.

Overall, this draft might be slightly optimistic but does not dive into the realm of impossiblity. If this draft happened I would be very happy.

Overall grade -- B+
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NFL | Revis runs impressive 40-yard dash
Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:19:40 -0700

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports Pittsburgh CB Darrelle Revis ran between 4.38 and 4.40 seconds in the 40-yard dash as part of his Pro Day workout Friday, March 16.



That's a good time, I think he'll go in the 15-25 range.. all it takes is a little slipping though.
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Sveen, I finally got around to reading your four round mock draft, and believe me, there were some "eye-opening" picks in there for the Saints. I'd really like it if you could post all your Saints picks (rounds 1-7) and your explanations. :)

Please...? :D
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In Scott Wright's latest mock, he now has us getting Texas CB Aaron Ross in the first, LSU WR Craig "Buster" Davis in the second, and Tennessee DT Turk McBride in the third.

Personally, I'm not sure about Turk McBride, but that's due to durability concerns and the fact that he's a tad bit undersized.

But, what do you guys think?
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I had an interesting idea while I was sitting here at work...

Now, I feel that all the Saints fans on here are quite knowledgable about not only our team needs, but also who might (and might not) be availabe at our selections.

So what I thought, why not have an interactive poll, and see what the Saints fans think that we should do with the twenty-seventh overall selection. And if this goes well, we can continue through the entire seven rounds.

(note: I'm only putting up players who I believe will be available at our pick. If you think the Saints will pick someone I don't have as an option, leave a comment why.)

Without further adieu, here are the nominees...

Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas

Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh

Aaron Ross, CB, Texas

Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State

Dwayne Jarrett, WR, Southern Cal

Or trade the selection away?

*.*

There are your choices, you be the GM... what would you do with the Saints' first round selection?
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I would take CB, 1 of those 3 should be there whichever one you like is all preference.

If none of the CBs are there I'd take Poz in a second.

if all are gone it gets tricky.. I guess Jarrett would be very good value at 27. I'd rather go Defense though as this is a very deep WR class and you can find good receivers later.
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In Scott Wright's latest mock, he now has us getting Texas CB Aaron Ross in the first, LSU WR Craig "Buster" Davis in the second, and Tennessee DT Turk McBride in the third.
I like it personally.

Ross is a standard pick. Even though I'm skeptical of going WR that early I'm really high on Craig Davis.. I think he'll be a good receiver. Don't know much about McBride but it does try and address a need.
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If Revis is around I'd take him, with Chris Houston and Aaron Ross very close behind.

Revis looks like he could be a shut down guy very quickly in the NFL. Chris Houston has all-everything potential, and Aaron Ross is really, really polished.

I don't think the Saints could go wrong with either of the three.
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If Revis is around I'd take him, with Chris Houston and Aaron Ross very close behind.

Revis looks like he could be a shut down guy very quickly in the NFL. Chris Houston has all-everything potential, and Aaron Ross is really, really polished.

I don't think the Saints could go wrong with either of the three.
I'd take Aaron Ross. I think Revis, Houston, and McCauley are guys with a lot of potential to be very good, but I think Ross is the closest to a "sure thing" at being a good, solid corner in the league right away.
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Great idea. We should do all seven rounds :) I voted for Ross btw, but I think Houston, Ross and Revis all would be good selections.
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If Lawrence Timmons is available at #27 and all the Top 3 CB's are gone. How likely is it that he could be our pick?
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If Lawrence Timmons is available at #27 and all the Top 3 CB's are gone. How likely is it that he could be our pick?
Top 3? There are five cornerbacks in this draft that are first rounders (Hall, Ross, Revis, Houston, McCauley) and it would suck big time if they're all off the board when we pick at #27. I have a feeling at least 2 out of those 5 will still be around, though.

As for Timmons, I wouldn't be upset with that pick, but there are probably 8 or 9 guys I'd take before him. I'd actually rather reach on David Harris than take Timmons; I think Harris is the type of player Sean Payton likes and he may be the next DeMeco Ryans.

Out of the guys that I think realistically could be there for us at #27, here is how I'd rank em:
1. Aaron Ross
2. Marcus McCauley
3. Chris Houston
4. Paul Posluszny
5. Buster Davis
6. David Harris
7. Jon Beason
8. Quinn Pitcock
9. DeMarcus Tyler
10. Lawrence Timmons

I'd be happy with any of those guys, and estatic if someone like Patrick Willis or Leon Hall somehow fell to us. The only pick that would upset me is if we went offense in the first round. Our biggest needs atill are cornerback first, followed by LB and DT.
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Sorry, when I said Top 3 I didn't count Leon Hall since there is no way he will fall to us. I don't see McCauley as a first rounder due to the big risk factor the pick would bring and I would personally rather see us taking Timmons than Pitcock or Tyler.

My list as of now:
1. Aaron Ross
2. Darrelle Revis / Chris Houston
4. Jon Beason
5. Lawrence Timmons
6. Paul Posluszny
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Top 3? There are five cornerbacks in this draft that are first rounders (Hall, Ross, Revis, Houston, McCauley) and it would suck big time if they're all off the board when we pick at #27. I have a feeling at least 2 out of those 5 will still be around, though.
I would rank the cornerbacks like this:

1.) Leon Hall
2.) Chris Houston
3.) Darrelle Revis
4.) Aaron Ross
5.) Marcus McCauley

Feel free to disagree with me, but Hall will most likely be long gone before the Saints are on the clock. Houston's stock is through the roof right now and even though Revis' stock has dipped a little, his recent Pro Day workout has him at number three on my list. That leaves Aaron Ross and Marcus McCauley, and after talking to diabsoule last night, we both think that Aaron Ross might also be picked before the Saints choose at twenty-seven. If we go defensive back with our first round selection, chances are, it'll be Marcus McCauley.

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As for Timmons, I wouldn't be upset with that pick, but there are probably 8 or 9 guys I'd take before him. I'd actually rather reach on David Harris than take Timmons; I think Harris is the type of player Sean Payton likes and he may be the next DeMeco Ryans.
As for the linebacker position, I think we all agree that Patrick Willis will be gone before the Saints choose at the end of the first round. And unfortunately, the same might be true for Paul Posluszny. As for Lawrence Timmons, I don't know that much about him, except he's extremely raw. Personally, choosing him might be a gamble, even with his tremendous upside. I also know that Jon Beason might be around. I suppose he's a possibility. Lastly, I'm not sure about David Harris because he seems to be more suited to a 3-4. I could be wrong, though.
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I like Houston's speed, ability, and potential, but he isn't very polished. He gets overconfident and jumps routes, sometimes getting it wrong and giving up the big play. He has a tendency to shut down his man for most of the game, but give up two or so big plays.

Could his discipline be fixed in the NFL? Very possibly, but the Saints need a starting CB right now that specifically DOESN'T give up the big play.
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I would rank the cornerbacks like this:

1.) Leon Hall
2.) Chris Houston
3.) Darrelle Revis
4.) Aaron Ross
5.) Marcus McCauley

Feel free to disagree with me, but Hall will most likely be long gone before the Saints are on the clock. Houston's stock is through the roof right now and even though Revis' stock has dipped a little, his recent Pro Day workout has him at number three on my list. That leaves Aaron Ross and Marcus McCauley, and after talking to diabsoule last night, we both think that Aaron Ross might also be picked before the Saints choose at twenty-seven. If we go defensive back with our first round selection, chances are, it'll be Marcus McCauley.



As for the linebacker position, I think we all agree that Patrick Willis will be gone before the Saints choose at the end of the first round. And unfortunately, the same might be true for Paul Posluszny. As for Lawrence Timmons, I don't know that much about him, except he's extremely raw. Personally, choosing him might be a gamble, even with his tremendous upside. I also know that Jon Beason might be around. I suppose he's a possibility. Lastly, I'm not sure about David Harris because he seems to be more suited to a 3-4. I could be wrong, though.

I do agree that Leon Hall will most probably be gone before the Saints are on the clock, but nothing would surprise me. He isn't really a guy being talked about as a stone cold lock for the top 15, and there also isn't too much separating the top corners in this draft, so a team might want to take a gamble on Houston or McCauley's enormous potential, over the more polished player (but with a lower ceiling) in Hall. Hall and Revis are the most likely to be gone, but I feel like a combination of any 2 out of the five will still be around when the Saints pick, and honestly I would not be surprised with any.

If Willis and Puz are gone and we go linebacker, I'd really hope it's Beason. I think he's a more polished player and better suited to move inside than Timmons. One line in Scott's report on Beason makes me excited that he could be a real possibility: "Has a motor that never stops... Fantastic leader with excellent intangibles." That is exactly the type of player we need on defense. I also don't think the gap in talent and potential between Beason and Timmons is very big at all.
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I like Houston's speed, ability, and potential, but he isn't very polished. He gets overconfident and jumps routes, sometimes getting it wrong and giving up the big play. He has a tendency to shut down his man for most of the game, but give up two or so big plays.

Could his discipline be fixed in the NFL? Very possibly, but the Saints need a starting CB right now that specifically DOESN'T give up the big play.
I don't think Houston is that bad of a gambler, all 3 of his interceptions this season came while he was playing latch and trail on the inside hip of his receiver. He took pretty well calculated risks. He has fluid hip rotation in transition, he has shown the discipline to stay with the receiver on double moves.

I actually believe his main weaknesses are sometimes he gets too tall coming out of his backpedal and allows an inside release too easy, and his play recognition could improve. Both of those things you can fix in the NFL.


I'd rank the CB's like this:
1. Leon Hall
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Chris Houston
4. Aaron Ross
5. Marcus McCauley
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I'd rank the CB's like this:
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3. Chris Houston
4. Aaron Ross
5. Marcus McCauley
The only reason I have Houston over Revis in my order of cornerbacks, is because his stock has increased exponentially in the last few weeks and Revis' stock has fallen a little bit. Also, I think that more people would take a gamble on Houston and his upside/potential.
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I really like Houston's potential, but I think Revis is more of a sure thing. Houston could end up being a Pro-Bowler for years, but I think Revis is more likely to be good, and faster.
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The only reason I have Houston over Revis in my order of cornerbacks, is because his stock has increased exponentially in the last few weeks and Revis' stock has fallen a little bit. Also, I think that more people would take a gamble on Houston and his upside/potential.
I agree with you, SDP. The workout that Houston had at the Scouting Combine was nothing short of spectacular and now player saw his stock soar more during that week than Houston. In my opinion, Houston has jumped Revis for now. Houston may lose ground and Revis may gain some as the draft nears but as of now Houston is the #2 CB on the board behind Hall, who solidified himself as the #1 CB on the board at the Scouting Combine.

My CB rankings are this:
1. Leon Hall, Michigan
2. Chris Houston, Arkansas
3. Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh
4. Aaron Ross, Texas
5. Marcus McCauley, Fresno State

Don't be suprised if McCauley makes up some ground from now to the day of the draft. He has all the physical traits that would make him a stand-out CB at the next level. He had a down senior year but his workouts and interviews can really raise his stock.
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So now begs the question, which teams in front of us will take a Corner?

the way I see it, these teams possibly might take a CB.

12. Buffalo - first team that might take a CB to replace Clements, I actually don't think they will because I've heard they have much more pressing needs but it's still a possibility. (estimated likelihood 5/10)

18. Cincinnati - I think they are a very likely candidate to take CB, and one of our guys will go off the board here. (estimated likelihood 9/10)

19. Tennessee - Possible interest in a CB due to Pacman's situation however with the signing of Harper, and pressing needs at WR, DL they might go with those options instead. (estimated likelihood 6/10)

20. NY Giants - CB is one of their more pressing needs I think they'll see good value here at one of these spots. (estimated likelihood 7/10

25. NY Jets - the last road block IMO before we can figure out who will drop to us..they have some need at the CB spot and if there's a top guy around this pick we may have to jump them if we want to nab them. (estimated likelihood 7/10)

Overall I see 5 possible teams that might pick a CB.. (although there's always a chance someone will bypass a need to pick BPA) I think Hall will go first of the board, at either around the 12-18 range. Which means Revis, Houston, Ross will have to get by picks 19, 20 and 25.

I have no clue how this will play out.
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I'd put Houston and Dallas as teams that may select a CB before us.

Also, I went with Chris Houston.
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I'd put Houston and Dallas as teams that may select a CB before us.

Also, I went with Chris Houston.
I agree with you that the Cowboys are a likely candidate to take BPA, and that might just be a CB.

If the Texans stay in the top 10, I don't think they'll take a Corner. Right now it doesn't look like any CB in this class will go top 10, (possibly Hall) but who knows how these teams have prospects graded.
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If McCauley would have had a better senior year, I think that he'd be ranked higher, but as it is, he's ranked fifth on my list.

That being said, I think that as it is, Hall, Houston, Revis, even Ross, might be gone by the time the Saints end up picking at twenty-seven.

If that's the case, would y'all be okay with picking McCauley? Or would you rather see us choosing someone else?
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