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View Poll Results: Who would you choose at 27?
Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas 7 38.89%
Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh 4 22.22%
Aaron Ross, CB, Texas 5 27.78%
Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State 1 5.56%
Dwayne Jarrett, WR, Southern Cal 1 5.56%
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1) anthony mccoy, tight end usc

a top 20 talent falls to us basically giving us another jeremy shockey. saints failed to score 20 pts. both games shockey was out.

2) Lamarr houston, Defensive tackle Texas

anthony hargrove is too light to man the middle. ellis takes over at nose tackle and houston starts at three technique. houston had as many tackles for loss as brian price and Ndamukong suh and also finished the year with 7.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position.

3) jerome murphy, cornerback USF/ return specialist

gregg williams needs a speed corner to replace randall *** who sucked last year and who could compete with torrance and malcolm jenkins for playing time.

4)Demarcus granger, defensive tackle Oklahoma

granger immediately improves run-defense as he is a force against the run.

6)al woods, defensive tackle LSU

was never dominant in college but has loads of potential as a nose tackle.

7)Pat simonds , wide receiver colgate

simonds is a small school talent with 6'6 height and 220lb size. payton usually likes to take flyers on possession receivers in the 7th round.
adrian arington (2008), marques colston (2006)






***yes, i have us taking three defensive tackles. our run-defense really does suck that bad.
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Yeeeeah, I don't see McCoy being a first rounder and even if he is we have more pressing needs than the TE position.
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if shockey goes down again we are screwed and billy miller is 33 coming off an achilles tear.

mccoy is more talented than many DE's, LBs, and DTs left at the bottom of the first round.

i loaded up on DTs later.

lamarr houston
demarcus granger
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Lets just say that in the ND draft turned out the way you planned it Id destroy my TV and go out on the street and kill random people cuz Id be very upset to say the least.



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1) anthony mccoy, tight end usc

a top 20 talent falls to us basically giving us another jeremy shockey. saints failed to score 20 pts. both games shockey was out.

Even with shockey down I wouldnt see TEnd as one of the big draft needs.

2) Lamarr houston, Defensive tackle Texas

anthony hargrove is too light to man the middle. ellis takes over at nose tackle and houston starts at three technique. houston had as many tackles for loss as brian price and Ndamukong suh and also finished the year with 7.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position.

massive reach for a player that also forces ellis to play out of position, would not make me happy at all

3) jerome murphy, cornerback USF/ return specialist

gregg williams needs a speed corner to replace randall *** who sucked last year and who could compete with torrance and malcolm jenkins for playing time.

*** will probably be the dime back at best next season so he doesnt even need replacing, no need to draft another corner this early. Also dont think that murphy would be around at this spot. No need for return guys either imo, bush had a bad year returning punts this time around but is usually a huge threat doing that and kickoffs are fine.

4)Demarcus granger, defensive tackle Oklahoma

granger immediately improves run-defense as he is a force against the run.
The only thing granger brings to the table is extra workload for the medical staff. Guy has way to many injury issues to draft this early, besides you already drafted a DT

6)al woods, defensive tackle LSU

was never dominant in college but has loads of potential as a nose tackle.
third DT in 5 picks

7)Pat simonds , wide receiver colgate

simonds is a small school talent with 6'6 height and 220lb size. payton usually likes to take flyers on possession receivers in the 7th round.
adrian arington (2008), marques colston (2006)
obviously this could theoretically happen but imo it is more likely that this year they take a flyer at a DB or something than a receiver, the depth @ receiver runs all the way through. Even if he would pan out there is just no space for the kid on the roster.
Sorry bro but draftin 3 DT's and overlooking positions of need like DEnd, Center and OLB in favor of a tight end makes me hate your saints mock

My mock would look more like
RD 1 Everson Griffen DE
RD 2 Navarro Bowman OLB
RD 3 Vince Oghobaase DT
RD 4 JD Walton C
RD 6 some db
RD 7 some OL or rb depending on who is lost in free agency and stuff
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Thats probably the worst possible mock. No offense.
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Lets just say that in the ND draft turned out the way you planned it Id destroy my TV and go out on the street and kill random people cuz Id be very upset to say the least.





Sorry bro but draftin 3 DT's and overlooking positions of need like DEnd, Center and OLB in favor of a tight end makes me hate your saints mock

My mock would look more like
RD 1 Everson Griffen DE
RD 2 Navarro Bowman OLB
RD 3 Vince Oghobaase DT
RD 4 JD Walton C
RD 6 some db
RD 7 some OL or rb depending on who is lost in free agency and stuff
LOL. i guess i should've include some additional info that plays into my projection.


i think that we release charles grant and kendrick clancyand move anthony hargrove back to end. ellis played NT in college and would be alot like tank johnson who started for the bears in 06'.

in order for all of this to happen we would need to find 3 DTs to give us a bigger and sturdier rotation in the middle.

when you go back and look at how we get gashed in the running game alot of it stems from hargrove being too small, ayodele being too unathletic, and grant being to slow.


i think that this would solve alot of our problems.


as far as OLB, cassilas played well enough against Tampa that you couldn't even tell shanle was missing and arnoux might just be the primary backup to fujita last year. Fujita needed a backup last year but we still didn't spend a second or 3rd rounder on one.



as far as going offense early we have spent:

a #1 on reggie bush
a #1 on robert meachem
a #2 on jeremy shockey

the colts have gone offense in the first round 7 of the past 10 times they have had a pick there but they are the most winningest team of the 2000's.

its possible we go defense but also just as possible that we dont.
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Rob gronkowski Tightend from Arizona has been medically cleared to play and is a first round talent at TE.

he is only 20 years old too.

i would love either he or mccoy.

6'6 265, gronkowsi would've been the #1 overall tightend in the 2011 draft.
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We will not get a TE with the first pick. Please get that through your head.
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so to be clear here, you think that we should take a second round defender in the first round over a probowl tightend?

why stop there? lets just take a 7th round talent at DT or CB like johnathan sullivan or alex molden in the first round again simply for the sake of picking a defender.

remember how fun that was?
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Just give me Mount Cody or Everson Griffen. I can live with one of those in first round
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so to be clear here, you think that we should take a second round defender in the first round over a probowl tightend?

why stop there? lets just take a 7th round talent at DT or CB like johnathan sullivan or alex molden in the first round again simply for the sake of picking a defender.

remember how fun that was?
If you look we will still get a first round defensive prospect with our pick. a pro bowl TE? when, 4 years from now when shockeys done? we arent trying to draft backups right now, we are one or two players away from staying in contention for the next couple of years. You need to learn more about the draft and stop reading what you are reading. Brian Price is second round? Weatherspoon? Get real. And all of your picks are pretty much reaches.
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i bet many saints fans scoffing at the idea now, never predicted shockey in 08' or meach in 07.'

everyone here who did come forward.
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Shockey was a trade and was heavily talked about for a month or more. And Meachem was considered a steal at our pick... Is your precious TE a steal? Nope, more like a grab... huge grab.
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If you look we will still get a first round defensive prospect with our pick. a pro bowl TE? when, 4 years from now when shockeys done? we arent trying to draft backups right now, we are one or two players away from staying in contention for the next couple of years. You need to learn more about the draft and stop reading what you are reading. Brian Price is second round? Weatherspoon? Get real. And all of your picks are pretty much reaches.
brian price?? hahha

no, brian brice is top 15. we'll never even sniff him. corey wooten, greg hardy or hughes either and dunlap we aren't going to touch because of characther issues.

there isn't a linebacker out there who is going to come in and take snaps from fujita at strongside either but we damn sure can replace darnell dinkins and bolster our 2-TE set to help our running game even more like the pats did with watson and grahm a few years back.
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Shockey was a trade and was heavily talked about for a month or more. And Meachem was considered a steal at our pick... Is your precious TE a steal? Nope, more like a grab... huge grab.
oh, but you knew didn't you?

you were certain that they'd both be saints before it even became news, correct?
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brian price?? hahha

no, brian brice is top 15. we'll never even sniff him. corey wooten, greg hardy or hughes either and dunlap we aren't going to touch because of characther issues.

there isn't a linebacker out there who is going to come in and take snaps from fujita at strongside either but we damn sure can replace darnell dinkins and bolster our 2-TE set to help our running game even more like the pats did with watson and grahm a few years back.
You are the first guy who has said Brian Price is Top 15. And you need to check out Sean Weatherspoon. He would replase Fujita. If we reach for anything it would be for a started at a position of need. Dont forget we have David Thomas (who we will resign) And he played decent enough to warrant a comeback for next year. A first on a TE after last years 2nd? No....
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oh, but you knew didn't you?

you were certain that they'd both be saints before it even became news, correct?
Haha awww you think because you underlined the word you would make me feel better huh? And yeah Ive always envisioned Shockey a Saints. Ive loved Shockey as a player and once we got Payton and things went sour in NY we'd have a shot at him. And Meachem? Who knew he'd fall. Going by your thinking someone else will fall we don't know about so we won't get yoru TE
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Haha awww you think because you underlined the word you would make me feel better huh? And yeah Ive always envisioned Shockey a Saints. Ive loved Shockey as a player and once we got Payton and things went sour in NY we'd have a shot at him. And Meachem? Who knew he'd fall. Going by your thinking someone else will fall we don't know about so we won't get yoru TE

if a defender did fall that we liked, like i said earlier there is always the possibility that we snatch them up. i said so earlier.

you're saying that there is no way we go tightend no matter the value.

you told me to get that through my head and i cant. the colts took a runner 2 of the last four years.

are you going on record and saying that it is impossible? hell, im willing to go on record and say that price will never fall to us.
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if a defender did fall that we liked, like i said earlier there is always the possibility that we snatch them up. i said so earlier.

you're saying that there is no way we go tightend no matter the value.

you told me to get that through my head and i cant. the colts took a runner 2 of the last four years.

are you going on record and saying that it is impossible? hell, im willing to go on record and say that price will never fall to us.
No im saying we aren't gonna use a 1st round pick on a guy who could be a 3rd round pick.
And Colts? Yeah they need running backs. Addai is usually hurt and Brown fell to them too.
I don't see this Mccoy dude going even close to us.
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You are the first guy who has said Brian Price is Top 15. And you need to check out Sean Weatherspoon. He would replase Fujita. If we reach for anything it would be for a started at a position of need. Dont forget we have David Thomas (who we will resign) And he played decent enough to warrant a comeback for next year. A first on a TE after last years 2nd? No....
there aren't many 4-3 linebackers in the league now who can replace fujita.

weatherspoon is a good linebacker but he would not start over fujita. if williams wanted a strongside linebacker early than why not just draft cushing over jenkins last year if he thought that cushing could push fujita?

dude you can negative rep me all you want, but go to the draft board and argue that gronkowski and mccoy don't have first round talent and you will be negative repping folks all night for not agreeing with you.

david thomas nor billy miller are the blockers in the run game or passing game that mccoy is. when shockey is out we lose a lot of our unpredictability in the passing game. when dinkins can't catch, miller can't run block and thomas can't either because most of thomas' catches comes primarily as an h-back. he catches passes split out wide or in the backfield out of the shotgun primarily.

please tell me thomas and miller can run block like shockey can. pleeeeeeeeeease thell me that.
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Where's the Vernon Gholston for a third rounder trade in this mock? :p
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No im saying we aren't gonna use a 1st round pick on a guy who could be a 3rd round pick.
And Colts? Yeah they need running backs. Addai is usually hurt and Brown fell to them too.
I don't see this Mccoy dude going even close to us.
okay, go on record and say that mccoy wont be a first round pick.

you don't think reggie bush and shockey miss games every single year? when shockey is out which tightend can do what he can?

with shockey out we failed to score 20 pts twice. and our running game stunk.
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Where's the Vernon Gholston for a third rounder trade in this mock? :p
we have anthony hargrove who played end in st. louis and in buffalo. when we release grant he'll likely slide to LE.

it would be nice to get rid of jeff charleston for gholston though.

tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that cedric benson would have the year he had in 2009. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right? because you had the foresight and never gave up on the kid.
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tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that cedric benson would have the year he had in 2009. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right? because you had the foresight and never gave up on the kid.
No, I'm the guy who wanted the Jets to take a flier on Akili Smith as a backup/project after the Bengals cut him. And yes, the Jets did work him out but did not sign him.

I'm the guy who thought Drew Brees was getting a raw deal and that the Chargers should draft Robert Gallery or Larry Fitzgerald instead of a quarterback.

I'm the guy who wanted the Jets to look into the Jaguars cast off bust WR's this past off-season because they were so lacking in that department. Reggie Williams and cokehead Matt Jones.

And between me and you nofalcons....... I'm the guy who has seen Vernon Gholston play at the pro level.


Now, I just have one question.

tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that charles rogers would have the year he had in 2006. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right?
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tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that charles rogers would have the year he had in 2006. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right?

charles rodgers threw his life away off of the field. he had numerous substance abuse issues even before he was drafted.

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During the 2005 season, Rogers was suspended 4 games for a third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. As a result of this violation, the Lions filed a grievance, claiming that his drug suspension violated a clause in his contract, which would mean Rogers would be obligated to return $10 million of the $14.2 million the Lions gave him in bonuses. The Detroit Free Press would later report that Rogers failed drug tests each year while at Michigan State. Citing Lions chief operating officer Tom Lewand, a report Oct. 9, 2008 stated that Rogers must repay the team around $8.5 million.[2] Upon his return from suspension, despite the fact that Rogers was deemed healthy, he played only nine games, with three starts, and was declared inactive for four games. He caught 14 passes for 197 yards and a touchdown.
charles rodgers, just like kellen winslow, i would not have wanted on my team for early stupidity.

the stupidity in the case of gholston was not gholston's own, but mangini. I can't blame johnathan sullivan for jim haslett picking him.

the guy never had more talent than kevin williams (who we should've picked went to the vikings with the very next selection).

i understand that it hurt but it's time to let it go. Just let go, man. i promise you'll feel better when you do.

do you blame calvin pace for his play in arizona?

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