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View Poll Results: Who would you choose at 27?
Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas 7 38.89%
Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh 4 22.22%
Aaron Ross, CB, Texas 5 27.78%
Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State 1 5.56%
Dwayne Jarrett, WR, Southern Cal 1 5.56%
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Old 01-16-2010, 04:13 AM    (permalink
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do you blame calvin pace for his play in arizona?
I blame him for not succeeding in Arizona as much as I do Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis and Thomas Jones.

I guess you could make that argument about the Jets too. I mean they just keep drafting bust after bust on defense like Darrelle Rev............. ohhhhh, well, there's the huge bust that is David Harr........... ohhhhh.

As for Gholston, no, its not his stupidity, its his lack of effort on the field. So I guess Mike Williams would have been a better name to put there.
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I blame him for not succeeding in Arizona as much as I do Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis and Thomas Jones.

I guess you could make that argument about the Jets too. I mean they just keep drafting bust after bust on defense like Darrelle Rev............. ohhhhh, well, there's the huge bust that is David Harr........... ohhhhh.
why would you blame him for that? is he now a DE in NY?

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As for Gholston, no, its not his stupidity, its his lack of effort on the field. So I guess Mike Williams would have been a better name to put there.

i guess you fans up there in NY hold patent to some sort of magical effort gauge that other teams fans aren't privy to that shows you when a player is trying hard and failing as opposed to not trying hard and failing.

ok, sarcasm aside, has he done something off of the field to make you think that he is just a lazy bum that struck it rich with an NFL contract and now just doesn't give half a damn?

i mean john sullivan was caught stealing sandwiches out of a press box before a game and got suspended. when you are playing as poorly as sullivan and charles rodgers you should not draw attention to yourself for the wrong reasons under any circumstances.

what has he done?
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why would you blame him for that? is he now a DE in NY?

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dwayne robert.....

It should tell you something that you have to go back 7-8 years, 2 coaching staffs and one general manager to get to Bryan Thomas/DeWayne Robertson. I'm guessing it won't though.

Regardless.

Bryan Thomas? The guy Gholston can't beat out for a job? That Bryan Thomas?

DeWayne Robertson? The guy who had more tackles & sacks as a rookie at defensive tackle than Vernon Gholston has period? That DeWayne Robertson?

But here's the thing. DeWayne Robertson, while he never achieved his full potential, would occasionally show glimpses of it.

3rd Quarter
San Diego Chargers at 10:29
# 4-1-SD 30 (8:28) (Run formation) PENALTY on NYJ-D.Robertson, Encroachment, 6 yards, enforced at SD 30 - No Play.
# 1-10-SD 36 (8:19) L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 33 for -3 yards (D.Robertson)

Now, that was the last time the Jets played the Chargers in a playoff game. The Chargers were trying to pull the Jets off sides in a fourth and short situation and they succeeded. They got DeWayne Robertson to jump. And yeah, he was pissed about it. So what happens the very next play? He bursts through the offensive line like it wasn't even there and Brees, Tomlinson and Robertson had a little meeting behind the line of scrimmage immediately after the handoff.

That eventually led to a punt.


Now, I don't really know what happened in Denver, but Robertson was like Bryan Thomas sorta average to below average as a 4-3 undertackle. Unfortunately, a guy who's biggest flaw at least that I could see was that he was completely and totally unable to handle the double team was moved from 4-3 undertackle was moved to 3-4 nose tackle. I mean, in the 4-3, they would stick anyone else at nose tackle. Even Josh Evans, who if I recall corrected was 280 pounds.



Now, compare that to Gholston, a pass rushing specialist in a defense that's #1 hobby is blitzing.

Okay Rex, its first and 10, what do we do? Blitz.
Okay Rex, its second and anywhere between 2 and 20, what do we do? Blitz.

Okay Rex, we're up against a pro bowl QB and a high powered offense, they're down by 7, its third and twenty two with a minute fifty left in the game. What do we do? Blitz.


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i guess you fans up there in NY hold patent to some sort of magical effort gauge that other teams fans aren't privy to that shows you when a player is trying hard and failing as opposed to not trying hard and failing.
Yeah, that must be the case. And we get lots of rental fees from Oakland fans regarding JaMarcus Russell.
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Now, compare that to Gholston, a pass rushing specialist in a defense that's #1 hobby is blitzing.

Okay Rex, its first and 10, what do we do? Blitz.
Okay Rex, its second and anywhere between 2 and 20, what do we do? Blitz.

Okay Rex, we're up against a pro bowl QB and a high powered offense, they're down by 7, its third and twenty two with a minute fifty left in the game. What do we do? Blitz.
if robertson ever really did show glimpses of #4 overall talent then i never saw it. all i remember robertson ever doing in highlights was pushing an undersized Texas a&m guard to the ground in a video that was over-hyped to make him seem like the next warren sapp.

neither robertson nor sullivan had any business going higher than kevin williams who actually had brian price-like production that year.

both of our coaches screwed up big-time and in any event robertson also had a chance to start an entire season at his college position. gholston has not.

all i'm saying is that if you want to give up on the guy before he ever really gets alot of playing time at DE then fine. knock yourself out.


you mentioned earlier that there were alot of players that you didn't give up on till the very end. gholston was a player that i really liked in college and i would like to see him succeed in the pros. if he doesn't, fine. no big deal, but in the end at least i was for giving the kid a second chance.
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IMO they really dont need to draft 100% on needs
32 Everson Griffen - Get more sacks then last year.
64 Navorro Bowman - Help the D out alot.
95 Montario Hardesty - Mike Bell is really bad and i dont like him!
130 Jacoby Ford - Could be a nice slot guy.
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IMO they really dont need to draft 100% on needs
32 Everson Griffen - Get more sacks then last year.
64 Navorro Bowman - Help the D out alot.
95 Montario Hardesty - Mike Bell is really bad and i dont like him!
130 Jacoby Ford - Could be a nice slot guy.
239 Zac Robinson - If brees goes down there is no one behind him.
id rather see another olb and a dt than ford and hardesty, besides that bell is gone, hamilton is a fine third runningback. Also we have a sixth rounder so you are skipping a pick.
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IMO they really dont need to draft 100% on needs
32 Everson Griffen - Get more sacks then last year.
64 Navorro Bowman - Help the D out alot.
95 Montario Hardesty - Mike Bell is really bad and i dont like him!
130 Jacoby Ford - Could be a nice slot guy.
239 Zac Robinson - If brees goes down there is no one behind him.
So we use a 3rd on a 3rd RB, a 4th on a 5th WR, and the rest I dont mind.
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Ill do a second mock outside of my dream draft in my sig.
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So we use a 3rd on a 3rd RB, a 4th on a 5th WR, and the rest I dont mind.
No reggie bush is a screen back and thomas is the only true back they have. Hamilton or what ever his name is. Hes going to be trash cut him now. The saints only had 2 good WR Henderson and Colston. Ford imo with his speed will become better then both of them. There D made the game winning play in the super bowl. They dont need to draft heavy on D. Imo if gresham is there at 32 screw DE get him. Drafting on needs is over rated big time. Trust me Drew Brees its all downhill from here. Time to get a QB to learn under him now.
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No reggie bush is a screen back and thomas is the only true back they have. Hamilton or what ever his name is. Hes going to be trash cut him now. The saints only had 2 good WR Henderson and Colston. Ford imo with his speed will become better then both of them. There D made the game winning play in the super bowl. They dont need to draft heavy on D. Imo if gresham is there at 32 screw DE get him. Drafting on needs is over rated big time. Trust me Drew Brees its all downhill from here. Time to get a QB to learn under him now.
You seriously think maechem and lance moore are bad wideouts???????

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Hamilton is a really good 3rd back as well
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You seriously think maechem and lance moore are bad wideouts???????

u for reallzzz

Hamilton is a really good 3rd back as well
Moore and Hamilton were undrafted. Robert Meachem is ok but hes slow. He does catch the ball which is nice but he need to be more of a featured target before i view him as a good player. Jacoby Ford is going to be wide open with his speed and sean peyton is so good at play calling he can really get the most out of ford. Ford could be alot like a wes welker and could do stuff in the wild cat. I just don't think the defense is that bad right now. They need some fresh guys on the offense.

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Moore and Hamilton were undrafted. Robert Meachem is ok but hes slow. He does catch the ball which is nice but he need to be more of a featured target before i view him as a good player. Jacoby Ford is going to be wide open with his speed and sean peyton is so good at play calling he can really get the most out of ford. Ford could be alot like a wes welker and could do stuff in the wild cat. I just don't think the defense is that bad right now. They need some fresh guys on the offense.
maechem, slow, really?
Ford can be nothing like welker, ford has top end speed but no wiggle, mediocre body control and has never shown he can catch balls in traffic.
Why the hell would you run the wildcat if you have brees as a qb, maybe in third/fourth and really short situations but outside of that its just silly

yes the defense is not that bad but the saints have the best offense in the league with most of the main contributors being pretty young, the D got by on old timers and great playcalling. Add in some extra talent and the saints will actually also have a D that wins games
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Moore and Hamilton were undrafted. Robert Meachem is ok but hes slow. He does catch the ball which is nice but he need to be more of a featured target before i view him as a good player. Jacoby Ford is going to be wide open with his speed and sean peyton is so good at play calling he can really get the most out of ford. Ford could be alot like a wes welker and could do stuff in the wild cat. I just don't think the defense is that bad right now. They need some fresh guys on the offense.

meachem isn't slow, he just cant run routes underneath. henderson and colston were clearly our best receivers last year but meachem was our primary deep threat.



i do agree with you about ford.

if we acquired another second or 3rd round pick i would love to select him or kyle williams of ASU because they are not only gamebreaking receivers but also very good special teamers.



as for tightend, i no longer think that we have to look at one high. i really love dennis morris in the 5th-7th rounds as a blocker and receiver.

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i would seriously in all absolute honesty be fine with any of these as our top pick

jerry hughes
brandon graham
daryl washington
sean weatherspoon
terrence cody
cam thomas
dan wiliams
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i would still cringe if we passed on gresham or gronkowski though. you know that it just wouldn't be if i didn't add that in there. :-P

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i would seriously in all absolute honesty be fine with any of these as our top pick

jerry hughes
brandon graham
daryl washington
sean weatherspoon
terrence cody
cam thomas

dan wiliams
(and perhaps even linval joseph)


i would still cringe if we passed on gresham or gronkowski though. you know that it just wouldn't be if i didn't add that in there. :-P
For our needs, Cody and Thomas are too big a reach in the first. Cam Thomas may even end up being there in the 3rd.
The last thing we need to do is drafta TE in the first round, especially one who may have chronic back problems.
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For our needs, Cody and Thomas are too big a reach in the first. Cam Thomas may even end up being there in the 3rd.
The last thing we need to do is drafta TE in the first round, especially one who may have chronic back problems.

cody and cam thomas are two of the best NTs in the entire draft. i doubt that they both ever make it past 40. if they do, i will gladly come back and admitt that im wrong but pass-rushers like huges and graham, NTs like cody,thomas, joseph, and williams, and linebackers like washington and weatherspoon don't often make it past the first round.

im done trying to convince saints regulars of cody's worth. he might even go before hughes because he had private workouts for the Chargers, Jets, and ravens. the dolphins even neeed a NT because of the age of jason furguson.

i honestly cant see how anyone who has watched them both play extensively would rank everson griffen or daryl washington as far and away better than either of them in terms of impact.

like i said, i know that the saints won't draft a TE in the first or second. it's just how i feel about those players. you do not have to agree with me. it could be the second coming of kellen winslow the III and saints fans still wouldn't want offense early in this draft.

gronkowkski just ran a 4.6 two days ago and worked out completely and looked good at his pro day. he was cleared medically by two doctors to play in january. the rumors that his back problems may persists are just that at this point.
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cody and cam thomas are two of the best NTs in the entire draft. i doubt that they both ever make it past 40. if they do, i will gladly come back and admitt that im wrong but pass-rushers like huges and graham, NTs like cody,thomas, joseph, and williams, and linebackers like washington and weatherspoon don't often make it past the first round.

im done trying to convince saints regulars of cody's worth. he might even go before hughes because he had private workouts for the Chargers, Jets, and ravens. the dolphins even neeed a NT because of the age of jason furguson.

i honestly cant see how anyone who has watched them both play extensively would rank everson griffen or daryl washington as far and away better than either of them in terms of impact.

like i said, i know that the saints won't draft a TE in the first or second. it's just how i feel about those players. you do not have to agree with me. it could be the second coming of kellen winslow the III and saints fans still wouldn't want offense early in this draft.

gronkowkski just ran a 4.6 two days ago and worked out completely and looked good at his pro day. he was cleared medically by two doctors to play in january. the rumors that his back problems may persists are just that at this point.
there is this guy called dan williams, advantage of him is that he actually fits the 4-3. cam thomas was really mediocre in collgere in the 4-3 and only is rated this hi cuz he is projected to do way better in the pros in the 3-4.

Cody is a massive risk any side, Linvall Joseph would make sense but still.

Neither Gronk or Gresham is anywhere close to the prospect KW3 is, niether are even close to being as athletic. Everybody always looks good on the pro day, id be suprised if any serious TE ran over 4.7 on a pro day
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there is this guy called dan williams, advantage of him is that he actually fits the 4-3. cam thomas was really mediocre in collgere in the 4-3 and only is rated this hi cuz he is projected to do way better in the pros in the 3-4.

Cody is a massive risk any side, Linvall Joseph would make sense but still.

Neither Gronk or Gresham is anywhere close to the prospect KW3 is, niether are even close to being as athletic. Everybody always looks good on the pro day, id be suprised if any serious TE ran over 4.7 on a pro day
i completely agree that thomas is probably the best pure NT for the 3-4 in this draft but how can you completely dismiss his play at the senior bowl when playing on the same field as williams and cody? i really had to go back an watch the game a couple of times to realize that he played as well or better than both williams and cody and much better than both against the pass.

why is cody such a risk? i never understand this because the guy never missed a game in four years because of his weight at any level. if anything he has gotten smaller and was even at 348 for his pro day.

why doesn't gresham and gronkowski compare to winslow?

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gresham had 24 TDs in two years before his injury. i have never seen a Major school tightend with that much scoring production in the past 10 or 12 years.

http://espndb.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188942


growkowsi is a young huge target that caught 10 TDs in 2008. he would easily be the best tightend in 2011 if he had decided to return.
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Winslow played in a very good conference with actual defenses. I would not put most pac 10 and big 12 defensive players in the NFL. But I want Spoon!!!!
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2008 BCS national championship against florida--------8 rec., 62 yards, 2tds

against TCU----1 rec., 38 yards

against washington----3 rec., 99yards, 2 TDS


against miami-----------8 rec., 55 yards, 1 TD


west virginia-------------3 rec., 34 yards, 11.4 ypc. average





gresham was good against every conference
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