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Old 12-08-2008, 12:32 PM    (permalink
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Freddie Keiaho isn't even the best OLB on his team, that honor goes to Clint Session, who just seems to get better with each game. He started off the year terribly, overpursuing out of his gap assignment and missing tackles, but as the weeks have gone on, he's turned into the Colts biggest playmaker in the front 7 against the run as well as a good pass defender.
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Doesn't clear why you think Barnett is better than Beason.
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London Fletcher is so underrated it makes me sick.
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I'll probably take some criticism for my opinion on this, but I don't think Hawk should even be a runner up.

Since his rookie season, all he brings to the team is an average player that can stay healthy.

He's a crappy blitzer, below average in coverage, doesn't stop the run well at all, can't shed blockers.

All he has going for him is decent speed to get to the sideline and his vision/instincts are above average.

I'd really like to hear some unbiased evaluations of Hawk, because I'm not sure if I'm missing something. Someone tell me what you think of him as a player and not the 5th overall pick 3 years ago.
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Jon Beason > Nick Barnett?

No?

Also, Ernie Sims and DJ Williams being there over Derrick Johnson is pretty bad, imo.
before the start of the season I would have said no, now, I can't name one MLB more terrible in run support then he is.
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There's more than 60 linebackers on that list as either a top 5 or honorable mention. I dont know how much can be thought of that list considering you left out one linebacker from every team and two from the sucky teams..

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There seems to be a list about every other position except linebackers. They get little love on here but yet they do so much. Who do you have as your top linebackers in the game today?

1. DeMarcus Ware
2. Ray Lewis
3. Patrick Willis
4. London Fletcher
5. Shawne Merriman
6. Brian Urlacher
7. Demeco Ryans
8. David Harris
9. Derrick Brooks
10. Derrick Johnson

I really wanted to find a place up here for Vilma, Harrison, Ruud, Suggs, and maybe, just maybe I thought about Porter for a second. So what. :)

Judge by linebacker as a position, intangibles, changing the game plan kind of guys. Don't just go by stats because this position is much more. Example: D'Qwell Jackson leads the league in tackles and wont even see a list, hopefully.

These lists tend to be controversial and try not to be a homer if at all possible. :D
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26674 By the Way.. lol

Obviously my list will need modifying now that things change. Harrison would crack my top 10 definitely but that was my post from 11-06-2008.
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u cant compare OLB with MLB with 3-4 OLBs. It just doesnt make sense
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Doesn't clear why you think Barnett is better than Beason.
I can pretty much handle any panthers player being disrespected, except Beason. He's a straight up amazing young player.

1. Brian Urlacher
2. Patrick Willis
3. Jon Beason
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I can pretty much handle any panthers player being disrespected, except Beason. He's a straight up amazing young player.

1. Brian Urlacher
2. Patrick Willis
3. Jon Beason
4. Lofa Tatupu (not versatile enough to be higher)
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7. Nick Barnett
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Stewart Bradley?
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Chad Greenway> Ernie Sims Chad Greenway> D.J. Williams Chad Greenway is an up and coming linebacker that makes plays and is improving every game. He could easily make the pro bowl this year
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Chad Greenway> Ernie Sims Chad Greenway> D.J. Williams Chad Greenway is an up and coming linebacker that makes plays and is improving every game. He could easily make the pro bowl this year
So long as Briggs, Ware, and Brooks are in the NFC he has no chance at all.
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So long as Briggs, Ware, and Brooks are in the NFC he has no chance at all.
So not to much longer of a wait then.
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Nick Barnett has been very underated his entire career. Then when people are just about to finally get noticed he has a ****** season and goes on IR. Go figure.
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Nick Barnett has been very underated his entire career. Then when people are just about to finally get noticed he has a ****** season and goes on IR. Go figure.
Not me bro, I think he is the best player not named Aaron Kampman on the Pack defense. Even better than Harris and Woodson. I think Barnett has been so under rated that he has become this "I think Barnett sucks" thing because no one knows him. People think of A.J. Hawk before Barnett and the two aren't even close in terms of impact on the field. Barnett is a MLB, pure and simple. Beason is an excellent backer and is on his way to becoming one of the best in the league. But give him some time to gain some experience. Barnett has been going at it with a horrid D-Line until the last 2 years, and until Hawk a ridiculous LB corps and if it wasn't for Al Harris these last few years he would have been the only talented player after the front 4.

Barnett got my pick, Beason was mentioned as honorable mention for a reason. I think he is great and like I said, on his way to becoming a Pro-Bowl player. But is he as impactful as Barnett? I think that is debatable and right now Nick gets the nod ahead of him.
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Lawrence Timmons is the best.
I wanted to put him in the Honorable Mention section but I haven't seen enough from him yet. The games I did see from him this year I wasn't completely blown away, with everyone I mentioned I have seen play this year and have been impressed one way or another with the exception of Barnett and Merriman, but because of their past accolades and accoplishments I decided to award them a spot in the top 5 of each of their respective list.

Timmons certainly has the ability and has come along way from being that rookie 1rst rounder that was over shadowed by the 2nd round LB. So he is certainly on my radar.
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I wanted to put him in the Honorable Mention section but I haven't seen enough from him yet. The games I did see from him this year I wasn't completely blown away, with everyone I mentioned I have seen play this year and have been impressed one way or another with the exception of Barnett and Merriman, but because of their past accolades and accoplishments I decided to award them a spot in the top 5 of each of their respective list.

Timmons certainly has the ability and has come along way from being that rookie 1rst rounder that was over shadowed by the 2nd round LB. So he is certainly on my radar.
Timmons role is RILB.. issue is we have a serviceable guy there, what we don't have is any depth at any of the 4 positions, which is why TImmons isn't starting.

Which is why I hope we draft Jasper Brinkley and Larry English/Connor Barwin. 2 guys that can cycle in and allow Timmons to explode on the scene.
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Not me bro, I think he is the best player not named Aaron Kampman on the Pack defense. Even better than Harris and Woodson. I think Barnett has been so under rated that he has become this "I think Barnett sucks" thing because no one knows him. People think of A.J. Hawk before Barnett and the two aren't even close in terms of impact on the field. Barnett is a MLB, pure and simple. Beason is an excellent backer and is on his way to becoming one of the best in the league. But give him some time to gain some experience. Barnett has been going at it with a horrid D-Line until the last 2 years, and until Hawk a ridiculous LB corps and if it wasn't for Al Harris these last few years he would have been the only talented player after the front 4.

Barnett got my pick, Beason was mentioned as honorable mention for a reason. I think he is great and like I said, on his way to becoming a Pro-Bowl player. But is he as impactful as Barnett? I think that is debatable and right now Nick gets the nod ahead of him.
Defensive player of the month in october, credited with the Panthers turn around on defense and leading the team in tackles and in interceptions... As impactful? if that were a word, and it part of a question, the answer would be no, he's been FAR MORE "impactful" this season... bro
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Defensive player of the month in october, credited with the Panthers turn around on defense and leading the team in tackles and in interceptions... As impactful? if that were a word, and it part of a question, the answer would be no, he's been FAR MORE "impactful" this season... bro
I agree this year, but I think the same thing of Barnett of the past few seasons, so maybe my reasoning is that Barnett has been doing it for a longer period of time, not to say that Beason won't surpass him, I actually think he will, but I have Barnett ahead of him right now.

Oh and by the way, I was very happy tonight with the play of Julius Peppers. He has swayed me into thinking that he and Mario are far and away the best DE's in the league. Very happy with Pep's play tonight. He reminded me of the pre-2007 Peppers and it was truely awesome. I just wish he was 26 and nmot 28, but thats okay he looked great and I have now be turned back into a full fledged Pep fan again.

You guys just might get a Peppers essay in a day or two...lol
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So long as Briggs, Ware, and Brooks are in the NFC he has no chance at all.

Briggs and Ware are really good and will make the pro bowl. But don't get me wrong i think Brooks was a great linebacker but my key word here is was. As i watched him play last night he only got two tackles and doesn't make plays like he used to thats why chad greenway is better and will make the pro bowl
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