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They used first rounders on Erasmus James and Troy Williamson. LET THEM HAVE AD!
well, the Lions also had to do something right and draft Calvin *hopes the Bears don't draft a superstar*
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I mean if you wanna talk production those two combined put out then we will.

Peterson: 1,413 yards 4.8 yards per carry 9 touchdowns
Taylor: 320 yards 3.7 yards per carry 4 touchdowns

Do they combine to put out "ridiculous" production or does Peterson put out ridiculous production and then you add his washed up backup?
Chester is not a washed up backup man, He means a lot to this team. He has 317 receiving yards as well which is very helpful to this offense.

Chester's Total Yards: 637 yards and 5 Touchdowns.
Adrian's Total Yards: 1522 Total Yards and 9 Touch downs

Yes Adrian is the premier back but Chester plays a big role on this team.
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eh, it's a bad comparison because INTs are much more common than fumbles. 7 fumbles are a ridiculous number you have to admit. It's like throwing 15 picks at this point
It is a ridiculous amount but he carries the ball 23 times a game and gives you more than 100 yards. You can't discount everything Peterson is because he might fumble once every 2 or 3 games. It's like saying that you would take Thigpen over Favre because of the TD:INT ratio
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The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.
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You do know that AD is LEADING THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING!
Yea, where in this topic have I said that AD sucked? He's a ridiculous talent, the only RB I have ever felt deserved to be drafted in the top 10 (injury concerns be damned) and he plays on an awful offensive team. But yards as the ONLY measure is lame. In fact, here, I looked it up: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Peterson ranks lower than Williams. Those stats are flawed too, but not anymore than using just yardage or just TDs. The only RB of the top 10 that doesn't pass my "smell test" of deserving to be ranked in there is Thomas Jones. But it looks like he's having a career year, so maybe it does fit
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The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.
The Giants also have the best offensive line, so take that for what it's worth. If you put Stewart and Williams behind that line, the Giants would never need to pass the ball.
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The Giants also have the best offensive line, so take that for what it's worth. If you put Stewart and Williams behind that line, the Giants would never need to pass the ball.
This is a Pet Peeve of mine. You can't assume they would be any better or worse like that. It defeats any stat and it becomes speculation.
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The Giants have the best YPG rushing wise so who cares who the best duo is. The Giants have the best trio.
This isnt Best RB Trio in NFL, This is the Best Duo.

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor Combine for 1743 Yards

Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward(2nd in the team Rushing): 1671

So We still have a Better Duo.
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It is a ridiculous amount but he carries the ball 23 times a game and gives you more than 100 yards. You can't discount everything Peterson is because he might fumble once every 2 or 3 games. It's like saying that you would take Thigpen over Favre because of the TD:INT ratio
I'm not discounting everything he does, I'm discounting a little bit. I wouldn't take Thigpen over Favre, but I would take Peyton Manning over him.

And before you jump all over me, no DeAngelo Williams is not the Peyton Manning of RBs. But there are some years a pretty good QB like I dunno...Philip Rivers? would have a better season than Favre
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This isnt Best RB Trio in NFL, This is the Best Duo.

Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor Combine for 1743 Yards

Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward(2nd in the team Rushing): 1671

So We still have a Better Duo.
Not to mention we started Ryan Cook at RT for the majority of the season. The impact of this cannot be overlooked.
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AD and Taylor is the best tandem, however don't be surprised if as soon as next year Williams and Stewart surpass them.
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Seriously comparing each running back side to side? That's not what a duo is about. It's how they compliment each other.

By the way I thought we were going with teams that actually have two backs get more than 8 touches a game... if not then how is it a duo? You're simply taking the best back and naming his backup then getting your thoughtless answer.
i agree with this
i remember a similar argument came upon last year and LT was being mentioned in the same light as AD is being mentioned now... him + any backup = best...

that being said....its exciting to see all of these duos/trios coming on.... its cool cause all of these guys are young which means, who knows wat these duos will look like in the future... possible 1000 yrd tandems in the backfield... i dont feel ike arguing cause i feel like you win with any of those tandems
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I'm not discounting everything he does, I'm discounting a little bit. I wouldn't take Thigpen over Favre, but I would take Peyton Manning over him.

And before you jump all over me, no DeAngelo Williams is not the Peyton Manning of RBs. But there are some years a pretty good QB like I dunno...Philip Rivers? would have a better season than Favre
Right, but IMO, Williams isnt having a better season. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
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The Giants also have the best offensive line, so take that for what it's worth. If you put Stewart and Williams behind that line, the Giants would never need to pass the ball.
I disagree, Neither stewart nor Williams exhausts a defense like Jacobs which makes it easier for our oline to man handle them as the game wears on and that lets Ward really shine as he's a smart runner who does a great job taking advantage of tired defenders, that and he's a very consistent guy to give Jacobs breathers.

Our oline's playing awesome, but don't let that convince you that our RBs aren'et as good as they're playing. When Otah has played that Panthers oline has been pretty nasty in it's own right and say what you will about delhomme, but steve smith keeps a man out of the box to role over to him.
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So we should be punished because we have a competent 3rd RB also? Also, everyone praises our O-Line this year yet last year when Giants fans on this board said we had a Top 5 line we were ridiculed. I don't get why everyone switched their opinions so quickly.
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AD and Taylor is the best tandem, however don't be surprised if as soon as next year Williams and Stewart surpass them.
See Ill agree with that because it will soon when Chester Taylor leaves us to become a Starter.
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Not to mention we started Ryan Cook at RT for the majority of the season. The impact of this cannot be overlooked.
Now if you guys would have listened to me and took Clady instead of trading for Allen, you wouldn't have had that problem. ;)
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Yea, where in this topic have I said that AD sucked? He's a ridiculous talent, the only RB I have ever felt deserved to be drafted in the top 10 (injury concerns be damned) and he plays on an awful offensive team. But yards as the ONLY measure is lame. In fact, here, I looked it up: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Peterson ranks lower than Williams. Those stats are flawed too, but not anymore than using just yardage or just TDs. The only RB of the top 10 that doesn't pass my "smell test" of deserving to be ranked in there is Thomas Jones. But it looks like he's having a career year, so maybe it does fit
But you're saying that Williams is having a better year and that is just stupid. Peterson is the only threat on his team, defenses stack the line against him all the time, and he still has put his team in a position to make the playoffs. He is an MVP candidate.

Williams is having a career year, but he is on a team with Steve Smith, Jake Delhomme, and Jonathon Stewart. Of course he is going to have some big games, because the defense has everything else to worry about.

The fact is AD carries his team and Williams does not. AD is having a better year and it's not really close.
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So we should be punished because we have a competent 3rd RB also? Also, everyone praises our O-Line this year yet last year when Giants fans on this board said we had a Top 5 line we were ridiculed. I don't get why everyone switched their opinions so quickly.
Im not saying a 3rd back is bad, Im saying it has little to do with this topic. If we were talking Top Trio in the League it would be Giants hands down but we arent, We are talking Duo.
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So we should be punished because we have a competent 3rd RB also? Also, everyone praises our O-Line this year yet last year when Giants fans on this board said we had a Top 5 line we were ridiculed. I don't get why everyone switched their opinions so quickly.
Because maybe it takes more than just one season of performing well for people to buy into the fact that they're THAT good? Everyone has up and down years. They've been able to sustain that level of play for two + seasons now, so yes, now everyone considers them one of the best.
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See Ill agree with that because it will soon when Chester Taylor leaves us to become a Starter.
The day he thrives as a starter again will be the day I will admit I was wrong on this. Just because he leaves to become a starter doesnt mean Peterson and him co exist as the best tandem right now.
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