Ravens Draft Discussion - Page 11

Ravens1991 · 04-03-2009, 06:50 PM

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Lol a 2nd for Troy. You'd be hard pressed to get a 4th rounder for Troy. Hell Matt Cassel only got a 2nd rounder and some teams think he's the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. Troy is a nice system backup who can do different things, but he's worth more to us than anyone else.

thats why I said throw in some extra fluff for Troy. But then again that was me being my optimistic self.

And i agree about Burress dont bring in the "Can Ray Lewis handle Burress and his legal troubles in his locker room?" on ESPN for a month

mikedoobie · 04-05-2009, 06:52 PM

ok just thought id look at the WRs more closely that we may draft so...
DHB - serious playmaker whenever the ball is in his hands, imo will be better pro then college player as he wasnt given the chances he will in the pros. Im just praying hes at our pick as he fits the mold of a tall guy that can stretch the field, also amazing on screens.
Britt - Great at getting the ball at its highest point, extremely physical, again would compliment Mason/Clayton extremely well

I would not take Nicks at our spot and rumors if true about him gaining 15lbs since the combine at his pro day then it just furthers my assumption hes not 1st rd material. I like him but in a trade back the only two recievers id look at are DHB and Britt.

Has anyone else heard the rumors we are in love with Andre Smith..if he falls i can see us trading up to that 15 range

Ravens1991 · 04-05-2009, 07:11 PM

I didnt hear those rumors, I dont want his attitude around w/ our football team. He has Bust written across his tits.

mikedoobie · 04-05-2009, 07:16 PM

i read it on NFL.com somewhere..but it was just a blurb thing and there are a ton of draft rumors flying

but honestly if we got Andre Smith he would take the RT spot and command it over the next ten years..while he has some attitude well alot of attitude issues there erased when he gets on the field and he is just dominant as a run blocker and has friggin ape arms in the passing department..Id be happy if we got him as he could mature mentally and physically for a year much like gaither then get in there..But i cant see him dropping to that 15 range so i dont see us making a move.

America · 04-05-2009, 07:30 PM

Yeah I don't think he'll drop to a range where we can jump on him. And he's not a Harbaugh guy, so I'd be surprised if Ozzie and co. are crazy about him.

Ravens1991 · 04-05-2009, 07:36 PM

He is tempting because if him and Gaither go into there full potential then he could have possibly the best tackle tandem ever. (a very homer statement IDC).

If we do draft him I am going to get this picture signed at training camp

America · 04-05-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens1991

I didnt hear those rumors, I dont want his attitude around w/ our football team. He has Bust written across his tits.

DHB is much more of a boom or bust type than Hicks to me. I think Hicks could be a very good receiver. He's cocky, but not even to the point the Britt is. I'm skeptical about all those late 1st wideouts (Nicks, Britt, DHB). I think Britt might be the safest though.

Ravens1991 · 04-05-2009, 07:43 PM

I think Nicks is the safest just because he has the best natural hands. I wont mind either but since Nicks stock is dropping I wouldnt mind trading down to early 2nd and hoping Britt is there, if not go Nicks. assuming DHB is out.

mikedoobie · 04-06-2009, 03:02 PM

as for safest WRs id say in order:
Britt - consistantly played at an elite the past two years in terms of stats. Catches the ball at its highest point and has the size and physical skill you want.
Nicks - as said has strong natural hands, however i worry about weight issues. Consistantly got better throughout his years at North Carolina but i do worry moreso about Nicks getting cleanly off the line, but he really knows how to work the field
DHB - he is a boom/bust type guy..never really fully utilized at Maryland could be a terror in the NFL and just needs the right scheme, coaches, etc.
we have the right coach in Cam Cameron who truly knows how to bring in young players and utilize their skills in acordance to his playbook.

Honestly i think we put too much emphasis on the individual athletes saying that they are safe or unsafe picks but there is no such thing as a bust prospect it all matters in how the team and coaches handle the athlete. All of them have the physical potential to make it in the NFL, its just is the setting right for them to progress as players and individuals. Obviously we use the physical differences to determine value in terms of the draft but we could take any 3 of these guys and all could be HOFers or all could be busts for us.

Ravens1991 · 04-06-2009, 03:11 PM

I agree. I think all 3 have pro bowl potential. but I think Britt is the perfect WR for our system. Its just that I would never pass on DHB because he is such a rare athlete.

America · 04-06-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedoobie

as for safest WRs id say in order:
Britt - consistantly played at an elite the past two years in terms of stats. Catches the ball at its highest point and has the size and physical skill you want.
Nicks - as said has strong natural hands, however i worry about weight issues. Consistantly got better throughout his years at North Carolina but i do worry moreso about Nicks getting cleanly off the line, but he really knows how to work the field
DHB - he is a boom/bust type guy..never really fully utilized at Maryland could be a terror in the NFL and just needs the right scheme, coaches, etc.
we have the right coach in Cam Cameron who truly knows how to bring in young players and utilize their skills in acordance to his playbook.

Honestly i think we put too much emphasis on the individual athletes saying that they are safe or unsafe picks but there is no such thing as a bust prospect it all matters in how the team and coaches handle the athlete. All of them have the physical potential to make it in the NFL, its just is the setting right for them to progress as players and individuals. Obviously we use the physical differences to determine value in terms of the draft but we could take any 3 of these guys and all could be HOFers or all could be busts for us.

That's the way I'd rank them. I don't think any will be that great their rookie year anyways. We just aren't good at developing wideouts. Maybe with some solid quarterback continuity it will work. At least now with the Bears out of the 1st round, there's 1 less team going wideout before us.

Ravens1991 · 04-07-2009, 11:50 AM

Since Gooden will probably take Scott spot I see us drafting a LB. We have no depth on the inside if one of them went down. Who would be your ideal ILB pick? I want the guy from Georgia

coordinator0 · 04-07-2009, 03:31 PM

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Since Gooden will probably take Scott spot I see us drafting a LB. We have no depth on the inside if one of them went down. Who would be your ideal ILB pick? I want the guy from Georgia

McClain, Burgess, and Ayenbandejo are all quality depth at the ILB position. One concern I do have would be that we don't have a strong ILB, or a TED. I don't think Ellerbe from Georgia fits that role as he is too similar to Gooden, and our inside run D would suffer because of it.

lordquas · 04-07-2009, 03:33 PM

imagine Rey Mauluaga and Ray Lewis starting next to each other?
teams would doo doo everywherezzz

Ravens1991 · 04-07-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by coordinator0

McClain, Burgess, and Ayenbandejo are all quality depth at the ILB position. One concern I do have would be that we don't have a strong ILB, or a TED. I don't think Ellerbe from Georgia fits that role as he is too similar to Gooden, and our inside run D would suffer because of it.

McClain is a OLB he has no experience on ILB. Burgess is injury prone and hasnt show any ability to start. Ayenbandejo is a good special teamer but he is 32 years old with no history of starting.

Also Ellerbe isnt similar to Gooden. Gooden is a good coverage guy but doesnt bring in the pass rushing ability that Ellerbe has. Ellerbe would be perfect for us.

Ravens1991 · 04-07-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lordquas

imagine Rey Mauluaga and Ray Lewis starting next to each other?
teams would doo doo everywherezzz

yes that would be nice, but I dont see that happening.

America · 04-07-2009, 03:59 PM

McCain did play ILB at Syracuse I'm pretty sure. Ellerbe is an enigma to me. Injury prone, character problems, inconsistent on the field...he's athletic and can get off blocks and drop back, but for some reason he just didn't get it done. But then again, he's undersized so I don't know how great he'd do at TED. He could be a great player, but could amount to nothing. Actually reminds me a little bit of Gooden, except Gooden finished his college campaign on a high note.

lordquas · 04-07-2009, 04:57 PM

Jameel McClain was a d-end for Syracuse.
He's a good passrusher and made a lot of plays when he was on the field last year. No way is he a ILB.
He can be groomed to replace TSuggs if needed. Maybe this guys got more potential than everyone thinks, hmmmmmm

America · 04-07-2009, 07:16 PM

My bad, I thought I remembered him under ILB last year.

coordinator0 · 04-07-2009, 08:03 PM

I don't think that McClain has the burst to be a consistent force off the edge, but he would be pretty good inside IMO. He has enough strength and would be a great pass rusher from the inside, but that's just IMO.

A Perfect Score · 04-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Just a note...If you guys want, Im running the ravens in the Forum mock, and ill have you know, I brought Boldin to Baltimore! Hope you guys keep up with it, pop into the fantasy section and see how im running ****...would love some real ravens fans opinions.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 04-07-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Just a note...If you guys want, Im running the ravens in the Forum mock, and ill have you know, I brought Boldin to Baltimore! Hope you guys keep up with it, pop into the fantasy section and see how im running ****...would love some real ravens fans opinions.

GREAT move. His character concerns won't be a problem here cause he'll get all the playing time he wants with us. He does have injury issues but he's the star we so desperatly need at WR. What'd you give up for him?

Ravens1991 · 04-07-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by coordinator0

I don't think that McClain has the burst to be a consistent force off the edge, but he would be pretty good inside IMO. He has enough strength and would be a great pass rusher from the inside, but that's just IMO.

ya we could rotate him in there, but he cant be a consist 3 down player from the inside. Unless we take a year or 2 to develop him.

coordinator0 · 04-07-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens1991

ya we could rotate him in there, but he cant be a consist 3 down player from the inside. Unless we take a year or 2 to develop him.

I don't think he could start there, but I'm just saying that he can provide depth there. I do think we need a TED in the mold of Maualuga or Brinkley though.

America · 04-07-2009, 09:35 PM

Brinkley would be a great addition. Young Ed Hartwell.