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Old 12-12-2008, 05:44 PM    (permalink
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So Favre has played 17 and 3/4 seasons in the NFL, starting 270 games, winning at a very high rate, winning a Super Bowl, breaking a ton of passing records BUT not always playing well in the playoffs and has had a few bad seasons. Most people would say he doesn't belong in the debate with guys like Montana, Elway and Unitas for best QB ever. What if he plays another year or 2 or 3 at a high level? Would sheer longevity give him an argument as the GOAT? Much the same way Emmitt Smith's longevity puts him in the conversation with Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and Walter Payton for Best RB ever.
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I don't think him playing longer would do anything to solve that debate, unless his future seasons would be magnificent.
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So Favre has played 17 and 3/4 seasons in the NFL, starting 270 games, winning at a very high rate, winning a Super Bowl, breaking a ton of passing records BUT not always playing well in the playoffs and has had a few bad seasons. Most people would say he doesn't belong in the debate with guys like Montana, Elway and Unitas for best QB ever. What if he plays another year or 2 or 3 at a high level? Would sheer longevity give him an argument as the GOAT? Much the same way Emmitt Smith's longevity puts him in the conversation with Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and Walter Payton for Best RB ever.
It's not how much longer really, it's the quality of play.
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I will have to use a quote from the Dark Knight here. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian." In this case he plays long enough especially in New York.
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So Favre has played 17 and 3/4 seasons in the NFL, starting 270 games, winning at a very high rate, winning a Super Bowl, breaking a ton of passing records BUT not always playing well in the playoffs and has had a few bad seasons. Most people would say he doesn't belong in the debate with guys like Montana, Elway and Unitas for best QB ever. What if he plays another year or 2 or 3 at a high level? Would sheer longevity give him an argument as the GOAT? Much the same way Emmitt Smith's longevity puts him in the conversation with Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and Walter Payton for Best RB ever.
When did Emmitt Smith get into the conversation of best RB ever?
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Being the GOAT is not about longevity
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He is not near the top of my list when considering quarterbacks I want to lead my team with a few minutes left. So I doubt he ever even enters my top five.
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:12 PM    (permalink
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I think the Issue is, it's really hard to cross era lines.

The game started in the 1890's with the Ohio league.....

Then you have the merger in 1966...

the 70's brought Dynasties... And rules to encourage more scoring, passing and a more fast paced game..

the 80's started bringing in more specialization...

the 90's brought yet more specialization, more "Schemes" and most notably FA.

it's hard to compare players across era's.


so many variables.

I think there is never going to be a GOAT... because it's too debatable and again variables. But I think he will be considered one of the best ever at the position. Along with Montana, Marino, Unitas, Starr, Kosar, etc.
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Any quarterback who has thrown the most interceptions in NFL history should never be considered the greatest quarterback ever. He is still a terrific quarterback, probably top 10. He has the most touchdowns and wins, but the interceptions and not so good postseason success ruins it for me.
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I don't think him playing longer would do anything to solve that debate, unless his future seasons would be magnificent.
Agreed. I don't think he can do anything to make himself the GOAT. The longer he plays, the more he hurts his reputation.
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He already holds all the records. I don't think having them by a larger margin would change anyone's mind. Unless he wins another Super Bowl I don't think anything he does will change anyone's mind one way or another.
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If anything favre playing as long as he has has prevented him from every being called the GOAT since his final 5 seasons will be fresher on everyone's memory than the dominant stretch before then where he was truly great. Now he's just an old man trying to be the guy he used to be and I can't see him doing anything to positively impact his legacy. If Favre wanted to be the GOAT he would've retired back around 2004 when he was still one of the elite QBs in the league.
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He is not near the top of my list when considering quarterbacks I want to lead my team with a few minutes left. So I doubt he ever even enters my top five.
He does have the second most 4th quarter comebacks in history. Only John Elway has more.
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Any quarterback who has thrown the most interceptions in NFL history should never be considered the greatest quarterback ever. He is still a terrific quarterback, probably top 10. He has the most touchdowns and wins, but the interceptions and not so good postseason success ruins it for me.
I wouldn't put him #1 either, but that's just stupid. Of quarterbacks that have at least 200 TDs (26 of them) only Steve Young, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, and Steve Young have a better TD to INT ratio than Favre.

My calculated percentages in order by most TDs:

Favre 66%
Marino 60%
Tarkenton 77%
Manning 50%
Elway - 75%
Moon - 80%
Unitas - 87%
Testaverde - 97%
Montana - 50%
Krieg - 76%
Jugenson - 74%
Fouts - 95%
Bledsoe - 82%
Esiason - 74%
Hadl - 109%
Tittle - 102%
Dawson - 76%
Kelly - 74%
Blanda - 117%
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Brodie - 105%
Bradshaw - 99%
Hart - 118%
Cunningham - 65%
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first, dont ever mention emmitt smith being in the same league as jim brown or barry sanders or that g.d. bear, walter payton. he is no where near their level. he was a solid back that played on a great team which helped him and his stats.

second, favre can play for ten more years and it wont matter. he holds the record for most interceptions, he takes too many chances. is he a damn good qb? yes. one of the better ones to come along? yes. will he ever belong in the upper echelon(sp?)? no.
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When did Emmitt Smith get into the conversation of best RB ever?
when he broke the career rushing recordzzzzzz, how could he do it other than being GOAT 2LW championship?
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Once he can take a hit instead of laying down to give Michael Strahan the sack record.
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I will have to use a quote from the Dark Knight here. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian." In this case he plays long enough especially in New York.
Strangely relevant?

He shouldn't ever be considered the best of all time.
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He's one of the GOAT.

Really. Anything else is ridiculous. I don't care about his interception totals. Over enough passes (which he has thrown), he'll eventually surpass anything. He has more attempts, more TD's, more interceptions, more games won. Sure he's not the surgical precision of Manning, but he's the better competitor (sans the strahan-laydown), he's who I'd look to to lead a huddle in the 4th quarter, how he can will magic to happen. As a bears fan, I feared for my life facing him with a slim lead in the 4th quarter (or even a large lead, it didn't matter). Brett Favre. One of the most dangerous quarterbacks ever to play the game.
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Any quarterback who has thrown the most interceptions in NFL history should never be considered the greatest quarterback ever. He is still a terrific quarterback, probably top 10. He has the most touchdowns and wins, but the interceptions and not so good postseason success ruins it for me.
He's also thrown the most TD's, won the most games, thrown for the most yards, etc, etc, etc. The reality is only 303 of his 9179 pass attempts have been intercepted. That's 3.3% of the passes he's thrown. The anti Farve agenda of trying to focus on his INT's and ignore all the other stats doesn't really hold water. Almost 5% of Johnny Unitas's passes were intercepted. Elway was intercepted 3.1% of the time.
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When did Emmitt Smith get into the conversation of best RB ever?
When he retired with 18,255 rushing yards, 3,224 receiving yards, 175 TD's, 3 Super Bowl rings, and an MVP trophy. It's not even debateable that he's in the argument of GOAT.
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Agreed. I don't think he can do anything to make himself the GOAT. The longer he plays, the more he hurts his reputation.
Hurts his reputation in the eyes of who? Whiners that just hate him for being loved by the media? So what.
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When he retired with 18,255 rushing yards, 3,224 receiving yards, 175 TD's, 3 Super Bowl rings, and an MVP trophy. It's not even debateable that he's in the argument of GOAT.
Throw all the stats you want out...I watched Emmitt Smith play football....he isn't in the GOAT conversation.
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