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View Poll Results: Defensive Player of the Year is
Ed Reed 25 14.97%
Joey Porter 7 4.19%
Nick Collins 1 0.60%
Terrell Suggs 1 0.60%
Troy Polamalu 11 6.59%
James Harrison 35 20.96%
DeMarcus Ware 47 28.14%
Charles Woodson 9 5.39%
Cortland Finnegan 3 1.80%
Albert Hanyesworth 28 16.77%
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:32 PM    (permalink
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Just an FYI, the difference in tackles is all in assists. Ware and Harrison have basically identical solo takedowns, but for some reason Harrison is getting WAAAAAAAY more assists than anyone else right now. Given the fact that its a very grey-area stat, and is almost a completely subjective call by the stat keeper, I wouldn't give it any meaningful weight in this discussion. Just fwiw.
He does get a lot of assists, for the most part though he's always at the point of attack though, but the Steeler's are so good on defense that so are 2 other guys. So really the only elevation in Harrison's game to me is the turnovers. To me though that's huge. As I've said before, when the offense needs the ball back, he always seems to get a turnover or a sack.
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No doubt Ware deserves it, but I'd take Harrison's 8 turnovers and 15 sacks over Ware's 19 sacks and 4 turnovers.
I made the same mistake above but FF doesn't necessarily translate into turnovers. Still, from what everyone is saying, I guess Harrison has made more impact plays.

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I made the same mistake above but FF doesn't necessarily translate into turnovers. Still, from what everyone is saying, I guess Harrison has made more impact plays.

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15 sacks, 3 stops for a loss, 7 FF, 1 Int

19 sacks, 6 stops for a loss, 5 FF, 0 Int
Harrison also had a Safety. I don't know if Ware had any. And I know Woodley recovered 3 of his FF's, 1 resulting in a TD.


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Yeah, Ware definitely does have a lesser supporting cast. It's just the way Harrison gets the ball turned over that puts him ahead of Ware for me. I just don't think his supporting cast are really assisting the way he jars the ball loose
Here's a question though, with a lesser supporting cast, isn't the converse also true?

If there's less great guys on his team that's effectively less guys to steal from his Numbers?
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Harrison is a great player, but he has no realistic chance no matter what justifications you can come up with. Seriously. The media would give it to Polamalu before Harrison.
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Harrison is a great player, but he has no realistic chance no matter what justifications you can come up with. Seriously. The media would give it to Polamalu before Harrison.
yea your right because hes not as popular as ware is i can def agree with that
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I made the same mistake above but FF doesn't necessarily translate into turnovers. Still, from what everyone is saying, I guess Harrison has made more impact plays.

We're looking at
15 sacks, 3 stops for a loss, 7 FF, 1 Int

19 sacks, 6 stops for a loss, 5 FF, 0 Int
Yeah that is true, they might not all have been recovered. Still, he knocks the ball out like a mofo and gets his team a chance to recover it.
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Harrison is a great player, but he has no realistic chance no matter what justifications you can come up with. Seriously. The media would give it to Polamalu before Harrison.

I don't know. True Troy is the face of the Defense, but Harrison has gotten a lot of publicity this year.
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Anyone think Ed reed boosted himself to a mention for DPOY?????? he has 6picks in 5games and 7 on the year with 38tackles 1ff(returned for td by reed)
and 2pick-6's and 1sack.
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Anyone think Ed reed boosted himself to a mention for DPOY?????? he has 6picks in 5games and 7 on the year with 38tackles 1ff(returned for td by reed)
and 2pick-6's and 1sack.
He won't win but certainly improved his chances to finish top 5. 2 INT's on the big stage against the Steelers, and 2 INT's on the national stage against Americas sweethearts the Cowboys and Golden boy Romo.
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He won't win but certainly improved his chances to finish top 5. 2 INT's on the big stage against the Steelers, and 2 INT's on the national stage against Americas sweethearts the Cowboys and Golden boy Romo.
yea i dont expect him to win im just saying he should be looked at and not just ware,harrison, and haynesworth. i feel ed reed has done just as much for his team and especially when it matters.
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He helped his chances a lot.
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James Harrison, still and only.

Ed Reed is making a heck of a push down the stretch though.
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Why is Aso not on this list? Andre Johnson had two catches for 19 yards today.
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Because MVP rewards stats, for example Matt Ryan isn't even close to the top 5 QB's in MVP voting but would be closer to that in terms of value to his team.
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Michael Griffin has DPOY like stats, at least he does if Reed and Troy do. 75tk, 1 sack, 7 int, 1 FF, 1 TD, 11 passes defended.

But it's got to go to a OLB surely. I voted Ware.
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i voted demarcus ware because he was amazing this year
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But it's got to go to a OLB surely. I voted Ware.
no one was saying ed reed and troy are DPOY because of stats its never just about stats its about what you mean to your team and when those big stats came. Ed reed has pick6's and at meaningful times not saying griffins stats werent at meaningful times but just clearing up that we werent talking about stats
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I hope Ware gets it because it will piss the hell out of Merriman. I'm between Ware and Reed now, I'll wait til next week to vote.
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I hope Ware gets it because it will piss the hell out of Merriman. I'm between Ware and Reed now, I'll wait til next week to vote.
yea i think if reed gets 2picks and one of them a pick 6 he has to be DPOY lol hahaahah i wish that would happen
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mo drew gets about 16 touches a game on offense (on a good day), and will run circles around ray rice. rice has no speed, 2nd burst or agility. he's a strong midget. How can anyone be excited about that.
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i think you only need 2 names on here and they are demarcus ware and james harrison... no other defensive player has had a bigger impact and more dominant this season...
im even putting these guys over my boys ed reed and tsuggs...
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I was so tempted to vote for Collins and Woodson but sided for Ware based on realism.
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DeMarcus Ware, and it's not as close as people make it out to be.
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