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Old 12-15-2008, 01:53 PM    (permalink
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All things considered, this race is unbelievable and has been something that i have been keeping my eye on for awhile now. Weird to see a discussion with so much Ware in it and no mention of Merriman. With that said, it would be interesting to see where Merriman would be in this race, with so many other 3-4 OLBs tearing it up, all things considered, he probably would be in the double digits and maybe mid-teens also.

I'd probably like to see Abraham win it, based on how he's just been a monster at the DE on the pass rush.
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Think about this for a moment:

Merriman would have gone against Kwame Harris and the Chiefs twice!
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:27 PM    (permalink
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Merriman would have gone against Kwame Harris and the Chiefs twice!
Sigh. The Chargers have lost 7 games by less than a touchdown. Thinking about Merriman's potential impact doesn't really put me in a great mood.
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Joey Porter is insane. The difference between this season and last season is just ridiculous. Coaching has a lot to do with it but his intensity and energy this season is completely different that last year. He gets past Ware and the next week Ware has 3 sacks. >_<
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For what it's worth if we're coming clean on the Ware pick initially, I too was one of those who wanted Shawne Merriman. Ware was IMO rising too fast, played against Sun Belt competition, and hadn't played standing up to that point. Merriman had played standing up and in a 3 point stance, was productive in a competitive conference, and was seen as a legit prospect before the combine. I was furious we took Ware. But since his second season, I've been on the bandwagon. BP knew what he was doing. Also the rumor is Merriman showed up to his Dallas workout fat.
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I would like to see ware break it, i think that would give merriman that little bit extra to come back like a madman next season.
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I don't want the record help by a OLB. I'm a 43 nut hugger and am not a real fan of the 34 defense at all. I hope the record stays.
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I don't want the record help by a OLB. I'm a 43 nut hugger and am not a real fan of the 34 defense at all. I hope the record stays.
If Ware were a one-trick pony sackmaster like some 3-4 OLBs out there I could see that, but Ware is a balanced player and does the same job a 4-3 defensive end does. He just happens to play in a more flexible system that lets him also drop into coverage and move around the line. So really, he does more than a 4-3 defensive end has to.
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If Ware were a one-trick pony sackmaster like some 3-4 OLBs out there I could see that, but Ware is a balanced player and does the same job a 4-3 defensive end does. He just happens to play in a more flexible system that lets him also drop into coverage and move around the line. So really, he does more than a 4-3 defensive end has to.
yeah, buts sacks are still easier to come by imo from the stand up position. Ware might be my favorite non-bill in the league and I love the guy as a player, but I do think 3-4 and 4-3 sack stats are not totally comparable. I wont say I am not rooting for Ware to break the record, because I am, but I think 4-3 DE's have a tougher time racking up sacks.
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He doesn't get all of his sacks standing up. He plays with his hand down on a 4 man line in all of our sub packages which are used quite frequently.
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He doesn't get all of his sacks standing up. He plays with his hand down on a 4 man line in all of our sub packages which are used quite frequently.
Yeah people are too quick to cookie cut players these days.

BTW, the greatest sack artist of all time... Lawrence Taylor, also played as a 3-4 OLB. Any loss in credibility? I don't think so.
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Wade Phillips really has gotten the best out of Merriman and now Ware. Two best players from the 2005 draft, should've went 1st and 2nd overall in hindsight for sure.
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Think about this for a moment:

Merriman would have gone against Kwame Harris and the Chiefs twice!
A sack is a sack regardless, its dumb to bring this up because people say ware gets sacks at the end of games when it doesnt matter. Since when or who does it matter whether it should be a worthy sack.
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yeah, buts sacks are still easier to come by imo from the stand up position.
I've heard people say this before and I don't understand where it comes from.
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ppl saying that rushbackers have an easier time to get sacks...well guess what?

thats what makes the 3-4 such a great defense, and thats why a dominant rushbacker is more impactful than a dominant DE.

A dominant rushbacker that commands a double team causes much more protection problems for an offense compared to a DE that needs a double.


And a true rushbacker is just like Ware, a well rounded player. Ware can rush like a DE, drop into coverage as well as any LB out there, and can stuff the run like no tomorrow.

Another benefit of rushbackers in the 3-4: it makes running weakside a lot harder.

I <3 me some 3-4 defense.

Most rushbackers also put their hand on the dirt in nickel packages anyway, fyi.
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I wish I was buzzed. The only sack crown I know of is the one handed out to the first Buc to reach the elusive 6-sack plateau. Naw, scratch that, I wish I was piss drunk.
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Getting sacks standing up is easier? Really?

Even if you believe that, Ware is the most well rounded 3-4 OLB in the game.

Plus, it'll be fun to see what Merriman does when he comes back.
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Even if you believe that, Ware is the most well rounded 3-4 OLB in the game.

Plus, it'll be fun to see what Merriman does when he comes back.
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I'm praying that Ware gets 4 sacks in the next two games.
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you mean two games after Strahan had a sack taken away and it was called a negative run by the QB? I hate that ******** argument against Strahan....
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I wouldn't say standing up makes it easier to sack a QB, but it seems to me the 3-4 generally generates a few more sacks from well designed plays than a 4-3. But that shouldn't diminish achivements by 3-4 OLB's, that'd be like saying Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison should be looked down upon for playing their careers in a pass happy offensive scheme.
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A sack is a sack regardless, its dumb to bring this up because people say ware gets sacks at the end of games when it doesnt matter. Since when or who does it matter whether it should be a worthy sack.
But Osi got crucified here after his 6 sack game. It was against WInston LOLZ *sigh*
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