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Old 03-02-2009, 07:42 AM    (permalink
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I honestly believe we have our starting offensive line already on the roster.
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I honestly believe we have our starting offensive line already on the roster.
I beleive we might, but I would be much more receptive to having at least a higher round LT to challenge Herremans when its time for him to slide out. I like Herremans, and think he can play LT easily, he just won't be a star. There are some LT prospects in this draft that we could get who I think can be a star...
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I beleive we might, but I would be much more receptive to having at least a higher round LT to challenge Herremans when its time for him to slide out. I like Herremans, and think he can play LT easily, he just won't be a star. There are some LT prospects in this draft that we could get who I think can be a star...
Alright I've been lurking and I want have some stuff to say.

I think that Todd Herramens is the future LT of the Eagles. He has always been the second string LT ever since the Winston Justice debacle. Todd has proven in the past that he can handle the left side, as he filled in nicely for Tra as a rookie and just this past pre-season I thought he did a fantastic job against one of the NFL's best defensive ends in Julius Peppers. I may be wrong in my confidence in Herramens but I think he deserves a shot and I think he can suceed.

Also I would like to know what star LT the Eagles could get in the draft. Who exactly do you have in mind because as much as I like Eben Britton and William Beatty I don't think they are stars in the NFL just solid starters which is not an upgrade over Todd Herramens. Who do you want? Eugene Monroe? Long gone. Jason Smith? Long gone. Michael Oher? Probably gone. Andre Smith? I have to say that I do not think he is a LT. So are you saying you want the Eagles to trade up? I highly doubt that happens because the Eagles have needs that need to be filled, like a good #2 TE, a RB that could eventually replace Westbrook (Moreno or McCoy) and a WR that complements DeSean (Britt, Nicks). All of those needs IMO are greater than the need at OT.

My offensive line for next year goes as such:
T. Herramens at LT, Max Jean-Giles at LG, Jamaal Jackson at C, Stacy Andrews at RG and Shawn Andrews at RT.

Stacy Andrews is not a good RT, he gave up 9.5 sacks last season which ranked 30th amongst right tackles that started 10 games or more.
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The staff really feels Hermy is the future LT or else they'd have tried to trade up for one last year. If they go line, it should be some kind of road-grading type. Run blocking is our biggest achilees heel.
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The staff really feels Hermy is the future LT or else they'd have tried to trade up for one last year. If they go line, it should be some kind of road-grading type. Run blocking is our biggest achilees heel.
hence the Stacy Andrews signing and the allowed walking of Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan
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Alright I've been lurking and I want have some stuff to say.

I think that Todd Herramens is the future LT of the Eagles. He has always been the second string LT ever since the Winston Justice debacle. Todd has proven in the past that he can handle the left side, as he filled in nicely for Tra as a rookie and just this past pre-season I thought he did a fantastic job against one of the NFL's best defensive ends in Julius Peppers. I may be wrong in my confidence in Herramens but I think he deserves a shot and I think he can suceed.

Also I would like to know what star LT the Eagles could get in the draft. Who exactly do you have in mind because as much as I like Eben Britton and William Beatty I don't think they are stars in the NFL just solid starters which is not an upgrade over Todd Herramens. Who do you want? Eugene Monroe? Long gone. Jason Smith? Long gone. Michael Oher? Probably gone. Andre Smith? I have to say that I do not think he is a LT. So are you saying you want the Eagles to trade up? I highly doubt that happens because the Eagles have needs that need to be filled, like a good #2 TE, a RB that could eventually replace Westbrook (Moreno or McCoy) and a WR that complements DeSean (Britt, Nicks). All of those needs IMO are greater than the need at OT.

My offensive line for next year goes as such:
T. Herramens at LT, Max Jean-Giles at LG, Jamaal Jackson at C, Stacy Andrews at RG and Shawn Andrews at RT.

Stacy Andrews is not a good RT, he gave up 9.5 sacks last season which ranked 30th amongst right tackles that started 10 games or more.
Let me hammer some things out. I am not against Herremans at LT, and for some of the reasons you have there, but with Oher potentially being available very near #21, and Andre Smith falling apart at the combine, it is possible that those two last until our first pick. With Castillo on the OL, Oher could hammer out his inconsistency issues and be a franchise LT. Andre Smith has that potential as well, and I beleive he can be a LT. I personally really like Eben Britton, and though he isn't a beast in the run game lik Andre Smith, he does everything very well. He is similar to Herremans in that respect, but i think Britton would be better at LT than Herremans for us.

That line would be fine with me, but according to rumors, Stacey would be more likely to play LG than RG, and with MJG potentially filling an open guard spot, it would be best if Stacey was the LG and MJG was the RG, just by their styles, which are similar, but MJG is more suited to play on the right side than left...

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I really like how this mock came together. Tell me what you think.

1. Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
1. Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
2. Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
3. Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss
4. Michael Hamlin S Clemson
5. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
5. Roy Miller DT Texas
5. Donald Washington CB Ohio State
6. Quinn Johnson FB LSU
6. Lydon Murtha OT Nebraska
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I really like how this mock came together. Tell me what you think.

1. Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
1. Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
2. Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
3. Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss
4. Michael Hamlin S Clemson
5. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
5. Roy Miller DT Texas
5. Donald Washington CB Ohio State
6. Quinn Johnson FB LSU
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7. Thomas Morstead P SMU
Assuming we sign Jones and Heller, Oher can play guard, and Miller can play NT, that might be one of the best mocks I've seen.
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Assuming we sign Jones and Heller, Oher can play guard, and Miller can play NT, that might be one of the best mocks I've seen.
Agreed. Oher would have to fall a bit lower than expected, as would Nelson (less so with him), but this is the best mock in terms of players and addressing positions of need IMO. Oher owuld be the LT though, not a guard...

EF605, you know the man-crush I have on Hamlin, Miller, and Johnson. I would be so ecstatic with this I would literaly cry...
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Agreed. Oher would have to fall a bit lower than expected, as would Nelson (less so with him), but this is the best mock in terms of players and addressing positions of need IMO. Oher owuld be the LT though, not a guard...

EF605, you know the man-crush I have on Hamlin, Miller, and Johnson. I would be so ecstatic with this I would literaly cry...
The Eagles have been known to move tackles to guards, and Oher is much better suited to play left guard than Herremans and vice-versa. Nonetheless the prospect of having an offensive line of Herremans-Oher-Cole-Andrews-Andrews gives me an errection
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The Eagles have been known to move tackles to guards, and Oher is much better suited to play left guard than Herremans and vice-versa. Nonetheless the prospect of having an offensive line of Herremans-Oher-Cole-Andrews-Andrews gives me an errection
Well then I get a full on porn star erection from Oher-Stacey Andrews-Cole-MJG-Shawn Andrews.
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Well then I get a full on porn star erection from Oher-Stacey Andrews-Cole-MJG-Shawn Andrews.
What happens to Herremans? He's probably the best pass blocker of all those guys
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Thanks for all the comments guys. I really hope that the do sign Sean Jones. He would make a good trio with Mikell and Demps.

I don't know if any of you participated in the live chat with Scott but he answered two of my questions. One of them was about which if the top 4 OT's would have a chance to drop to the Eagles, and he said either Oher or Andre Smith. That is why I gave Oher to us at pick 21.
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What happens to Herremans? He's probably the best pass blocker of all those guys
Herremans becomes depth. And Shawn is a better pass blocker than him. Herremans just isn't known for anything but pass blocking, so some people assume he is a beast in pass protection. He is really good, but Shawn is just as good and better.
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Thanks for all the comments guys. I really hope that the do sign Sean Jones. He would make a good trio with Mikell and Demps.

I don't know if any of you participated in the live chat with Scott but he answered two of my questions. One of them was about which if the top 4 OT's would have a chance to drop to the Eagles, and he said either Oher or Andre Smith. That is why I gave Oher to us at pick 21.
Yea I tend to agree with Scott on that, a lot of things actually. There has been talk of Oher falling potentially for a while now. And with Smith blowing up the combine, or should I say blowing off, now there is a potential he falls, though I think its less likely he falls to us... Oher is in the realm of possibilities, but I think there would have to be a run on pass rushers and maybe even WR for him to fall to us...
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Well, at the time of the draft last year, they probably felt pretty good about Winston Justice...
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Well, at the time of the draft last year, they probably felt pretty good about Winston Justice...
By no means am I saying Herremans is great, but there is absolutely no paralel between him and Justice
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Twista, who's to know the Eagles weren't trying to trade up last year? Unless you're part of the war room you have no idea what is going on there. Now the staff may feel Merremans is the LT, but you don't have any proof of that...
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1a) K. Moreno r.b. georgia
physical runner with great vision, balance and a variety of moves...fits your system very well and will make a great 1-2 puch with westbrook before eventually assuming the workhorse role

1b) H. Nicks w.r. north carolina
physical reciever with good size and tremendous hands...perfect compliment to desean jackson and it's about time donavan got some weapons

2) J. Meredith l.t. s. carolina
nimble l.t. prospect fills a need at tremendous value here.

3) C. Coffman t.e. mizzou
great recieving threat would give donavan yet anither weapon from this draft...has the ability to split out to w.r. and can develope into a very good blocker.

complete mock here
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...=1#post1533596

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Mt first thought is you could've put this in the mock draft thread, but the picks are great. I'm one of the people who actually think Meredith could be an LT in the NFL, especially in our system... But I have dreams at night about Moreno, Nicks, and Coffman...
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Left tackle is kind of a borderline need, I'd rather take a tight end before a guy like Meredith.
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I'd rather have Loadholt then Meredith, but other than that it looks good.
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I'd rather have Loadholt then Meredith, but other than that it looks good.
No way, Loadholt is either a RT or a Guard and we are loaded there. Right now we don't really have an LT except for Herremans, and Meredith could play LT much easier than Loadholt could IMO.
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No way, Loadholt is either a RT or a Guard and we are loaded there. Right now we don't really have an LT except for Herremans, and Meredith could play LT much easier than Loadholt could IMO.
Keep in mind King Dunlap was considered a first day pick at one point. And Castillo is a great coach who usually gets the best out of each guy too. Right now, I think it'd be best to just get the best lineman regardless of spot after we get a back, tight end and another receiver, maybe even a safety.
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