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Old 01-04-2009, 12:17 PM    (permalink
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Default As predicted, Matt Cassel tagged.

New England will place the franchise tag on Matt Cassel.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444

Now that we're ruled out the possibility of signing him, is there anyone still not on-board the Matt Stafford bandwaggon?
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OK, Anyone think we should not take a QB #1?
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I'm on board with Matt Stafford now.

Matt Stafford with no. 1 and Eben Britton with no. 20 would be a great start at rebuilding for you guys.
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I'm on board with Matt Stafford now.

Matt Stafford with no. 1 and Eben Britton with no. 20 would be a great start at rebuilding for you guys.
I am amazed at the number of people who give us a QB/OT combo in Round 1. People must realize how severely terrible our defense is, right?

Gotta go defense at 20.
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I am amazed at the number of people who give us a QB/OT combo in Round 1. People must realize how severely terrible our defense is, right?

Gotta go defense at 20.
I mean we need everything soooooooooooooooooo....
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I am amazed at the number of people who give us a QB/OT combo in Round 1. People must realize how severely terrible our defense is, right?

Gotta go defense at 20.
Yeah, you don't need an actual lineman to protect the blindside of the QB you'd be giving millions of dollars to.

I am amazed at the number of people who think you can successfully develop a QB when you have a **** OLine.
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1. Hire Mike Mularkey
2. Draft Matthew Stafford #1
3. Draft BJ Raji #20
4. Draft Troy Kropog #33
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Our offense can put up points.. our defense is horrendous.
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Yeah, you don't need an actual lineman to protect the blindside of the QB you'd be giving millions of dollars to.

I am amazed at the number of people who think you can successfully develop a QB when you have a **** OLine.
I don't think we're gonna neglect to address the Offensive Line. And I would hope Stafford doesn't start from Day One anyways.

But what exactly the difference between Britton and any of the next tier of OT's that could be had later?

Gosder will get better. Backus isn't as horrible as commonly perceived. He's not good, but he's about league average. Let's improve the offensive guards first. They are truly horrid.
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You're not going to turn around the whole team in one year. The Dolphins are the exception, not the rule.

Get what is hopefully your franchise QB and LT in round 1, and then go BPA from there on out.
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A rookie Left Tackle won't be any better than Backus. That's all I'm saying.
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You're not going to turn around the whole team in one year. The Dolphins are the exception, not the rule.

Get what is hopefully your franchise QB and LT in round 1, and then go BPA from there on out.
I would just hope that after 8 years of Matt Millen not drafting defensive talent things would change. Ernie Sims is the only 1st round pick Millen used on defense. Before that, I believe the last defender we took in the first was Chris Claiborne.

If this is a long rebuilding process, then I would prefer to at least be able to tolerate watching our defense once in a while. Cause right now it just makes me cringe.
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A rookie Left Tackle won't be any better than Backus. That's all I'm saying.
This is the key right here. We need upgrades on our OL but I think we have more problems with the OGs then the OT. And the fact there won't be as much of a premium price on upgrading them.
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You guys need to switch to a 3-4 D. You'd be like the 3rd or 4th team in the NFC to run some version of it, and quite frankly, your D needs a complete overhaul.
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You guys need to switch to a 3-4 D. You'd be like the 3rd or 4th team in the NFC to run some version of it, and quite frankly, your D needs a complete overhaul.
I am not opposed to this. I like the thought of being the only team in the North to run it.

And we actually have some pieces that would fit into the scheme. Redding, IAF, Avril . . .
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A rookie Left Tackle won't be any better than Backus. That's all I'm saying.

I disagree, I think a rookie LT very easily can be better than Backus. Especially if we slide Backus to LG and he does ok. In the past few drafts there have been several LTs that are better than Backus: Jake Long, Clady, Albert, Joe Thomas, McNeil, Brickhouse, etc.

Now I'm not saying that we should draft a QB/LT combo in the first, but I think that a good rookie LT will improve our O and our team.
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The first tier of OT's might be better than Backus. But beyond Andre, Jason Smith, Oher, and Monroe, I just don't think it's significant enough of an upgrade over Backus compared to any defensive player over what we've got there.
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This is the key right here. We need upgrades on our OL but I think we have more problems with the OGs then the OT. And the fact there won't be as much of a premium price on upgrading them.
But, by upgrading our LT should also upgrade our LG. That being said I definately wouldnt mind if we got Mack to play OG for a yr or 2 then moved to C
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The Lions should take a QB #1, assuming one who is worth the #1 pick declares, and then take the best defender or O-lineman at #20. Whichever is not taken can be addressed at the top of the 2nd. It's not like there's really that much difference in pick 20 and pick 33. Free agency will play a big part in determining what the Lions do. The Patriots may be trying to trade Cassel and tagging him to prevent losing him for nothing.
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Quick question:

Who is better? Backus or Edwin Mulitalo?
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I still prefer Sanchez.
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How about:
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65. Best available ILB, SS or CB
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unless Oher Monroe or Smith fall to 20 (which i highly doubt) we need to adress defense. DT is a huge need along with MLB. We should adress these two positions at 20 and 33. In the 3rd we can draft OG and sign a veteran OG in FA. Upgrading OG is big and can help Backus Perform. If backus still fails we can adress OT next year where im hoping stafford will not play a game until his second year.

We can not forget about our defense because we are drafting QB #1. OG is the worst position on our Oline so we will upgrade the line but our defens eis so bad we need to adress it.
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unless Oher Monroe or Smith fall to 20 (which i highly doubt) we need to adress defense. DT is a huge need along with MLB. We should adress these two positions at 20 and 33. In the 3rd we can draft OG and sign a veteran OG in FA. Upgrading OG is big and can help Backus Perform. If backus still fails we can adress OT next year where im hoping stafford will not play a game until his second year.

We can not forget about our defense because we are drafting QB #1. OG is the worst position on our Oline so we will upgrade the line but our defens eis so bad we need to adress it.
I like this idea. Don't look OT unless someone falls out of the sky. If someone like Oher, Monroe or Smith is there..... we'd be idiots to pass on them. We got 2-4 years to build so if we have the oppurtunity to take someone that will solve a problem we have, we need to use it.
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