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Old 01-04-2009, 05:14 PM    (permalink
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very interesting, i think Brady's health is getting very serious now that this is going to happen
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Or they want to trade him for value. They could get Matt Schaub value for Cassel, hell maybe even more.
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Definitely the right decision. If they let him walk without getting any compensation they are making a huge mistake because they could score huge for Cassel. Especially if Bradford and Sanchez don't declare and the Lions are obviously going in Stafford's direction.
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I'd make sure Brady is healthy, then trade him before the deadline next year.

Or if you know Brady is good before the draft, then send him to a team for this year's draft.
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Nobody is going to trade for a quarterback mid-season.
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What if Stafford hasn't looked good in his first 5 games for the Lions though
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What if Stafford hasn't looked good in his first 5 games for the Lions though

And they're fighting for a playoff birth.....
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Or they want to trade him for value. They could get Matt Schaub value for Cassel, hell maybe even more.
The difference is that Schaub was a projection based on a very limited body of work whereas Cassel had a full season of starting experience. Their career numbers prior to trade:

Schaub - 84/161 (52.2%), 1,033 yards, 6 TD, 6 INT

Cassel - 349/555 (62.9%), 3,946 yards, 23 TD, 13 INT

Cassel can also move around pretty well. He converted some big third and fourth downs with his legs, and had some nice scrambles otherwise, too. Schaub was 25 when traded and Cassel is 26, so age isn't really a factor. I'd say Cassel is much more of a sure thing than Schaub.

As far as what the Patriots could potentially get...the Texans traded #8 to Atlanta for #10, and gave up two straight second round picks (#39 and #48.) On the old trade value chart, you get:

100 points for the move down from #8 to #10.
510 points for #39 overall.
420 points for #48 overall.

The Patriots could probably pick up a deal for two second round picks and maybe a fourth, or, if all the value was added up, move up to around #15 or #16 overall. The Bears have #18 overall and if I remember correctly Jerry Angelo has said quarterback is a priority this offseason. Tampa Bay has #19, Detroit has #20, and Minnesota has #23. As a Patriots fan, I'd actually prefer the multiple second-round picks, but there's a chance they get a first rounder for him.
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I hate Matt Cassel so much. He is so overrated. I wouldn't touch this guy, I don't believe in him at all. And the media treats him like a super star or someting, he isn't! They first complained (mainly Trey Wingo) that he didn't make the pro bowl when he wasn't even the biggest "snub" at his own position on his own team, that was Rivers. He is coached by the best coach in the NFL (Yes, I threw up in my mouth when I said that). He was coached by the best coach in the college game. How would he do without that and whoever the Lions bring in with sky high expectations for Cassell. I don't believe in him one bit, and I wouldn't have paid him a dime and let him go elsewhere.
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Ugh, Brady better be healthy. I had a big trade in fantasy football and they threw in Tom Brady for our 1 keeper league.
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I don't think he's a sure thing, but I think he's a better prospect than a lot of quarterbacks who've been traded for or signed to decent FA deals in the last few years. At the very least he's a good back up.
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I think he'd be good for a playoff caliber team like a Vikings, not a young team.
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They will get more for him than the Falcons did for Shaub. He would probably look pretty good in purple.
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I think some people are being a little harsh on Cassel. You have 1 season worth of game tape total on the guy (including college) and you can already say he's not worth it?

anyways, back on the subject: I think it was smart to franchise tag him. No reason to let him dabble in free agency and let him go when you can get some value out of him in a trade.
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I can see him going to the following teams:
Jaguars - Just a hunch.
Vikings - Tavaris is not the answer for the last time.
Rams - Bulger had his days. Whether it was the O-line, his health, or WRs, he hasnt played well. You can only let a guy stick around for so long before a change needs to be made.
And the longshot Jets but now they franchised him that means they have control of where he goes if he is shopped this offseason. If he was in FA then I could see him going to the arch nemesis.
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I also consider Matt Schaub to be much more talented than Cassel, and I'm betting that a lot of GM's will agree. Stats don't tell the whole story, particularly when it comes to trade value.
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I hate Matt Cassel so much. He is so overrated. I wouldn't touch this guy, I don't believe in him at all. And the media treats him like a super star or someting, he isn't! They first complained (mainly Trey Wingo) that he didn't make the pro bowl when he wasn't even the biggest "snub" at his own position on his own team, that was Rivers. He is coached by the best coach in the NFL (Yes, I threw up in my mouth when I said that). He was coached by the best coach in the college game. How would he do without that and whoever the Lions bring in with sky high expectations for Cassell. I don't believe in him one bit, and I wouldn't have paid him a dime and let him go elsewhere.
what he said. i dont know why people get such a hard on for cassel
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what he said. i dont know why people get such a hard on for cassel
Because towards the end of the year, he was playing very well. Yes, it was probably the system, and he has a lot of talent around him, but who's to say he can't replicate that type of production on a team with similar talent at the WR position, or on the offense as a whole?

No, i don't think he's worth anything above a 10 million dollar signing bonus, but the truth of the matter is that someone will throw it at him in a bidding war. That's the position he's put himself in, and the lack of quality quarterbacks in the league will dictate his salary, not his talent.
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what he said. i dont know why people get such a hard on for cassel

What he said. I dont know why people like him
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He would easily fetch a 1st rounder from a # of teams. For a 1st year starter, his stats are sensational and when you start throwing for 400 yds in a game a couple of times, GM's become very interested in his potential.
No doubt, NE will assess Brady's health before making any moves with Cassell.
Once they are satisfied that Brady is 100%, Cassell will be traded quite easily and could fetch as much as 2 first rounders or at least a 1st and 2nd rounder.

11 wins
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Yeah, there is nothing to like about him. Get real folks.
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And most of the loses were because of his mistakes.
a single player doesnt win nor does he loses games
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a single player doesnt win nor does he loses games


Nor does he lose games, and as a fan who got to watch the kid all season, hes a solid qb, better then alot of other qbs starting in this league.
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