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Old 01-09-2009, 04:08 PM    (permalink
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Beason should be on the 2nd team with Willis on the 1st team.
haha....if you say so
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:15 PM    (permalink
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while im glad that mclain made it at FB, its kind of unfair because of the carries that he gets. He has been outstanding this year but is there any other fullback that gets carries like him?
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Nice to see Asomugha make his first All-Pro team.
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I want to know how close Woodson and Finnegan were. Obviously I'm a Packer fan, but I don't think it's the least bit homeristic to say that Woodson should have been first team.
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says the 49ers fan!
Even if I wasn't a 49er fan I would think so. Beason has nothing over Willis. Willis is better in coverage and against the run, is a better tackler and bigger hitter, and forces more turnovers. I honestly don't see why anyone would prefer to have Beason instead of Willis.
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this year i would rather have beason
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I want to know how close Woodson and Finnegan were. Obviously I'm a Packer fan, but I don't think it's the least bit homeristic to say that Woodson should have been first team.
Finnegan actually only had 1 less vote than Aso.
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this year i would rather have beason
great argument right here!


anyways, bigger hitter is irrelevant. How is Patrick Willis a better tackler?
Why is he better at stopping the run? How is he better at covering?

I mean Beason had 3 Interceptions alone, PWillis had 1 Int and 1 FF. yay way more turnovers!
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Patrick Willis is the best tackler in the NFL as far as I'm concerned. Not saying a lot this day, but his technique is picture perfect.

As for who is the better linebacker, I think it's pretty damn close. I prefer Willis slightly, but that's totally my own personal preference.
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my point was that beason had a better year this year and thats why he made 1st team
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Even if I wasn't a 49er fan I would think so.
I doubt it, you saw Willis play 16 games this year, you probably saw Beason play one, he's played every bit as good this season, Willis shouldn't get 1st team all-pro every year just because he's physically the best LB in the game.
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Jordan Gross is not the best LT in the NFL.

I actually thought Beason had a worse year this year than last
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great argument right here!


anyways, bigger hitter is irrelevant. How is Patrick Willis a better tackler?
Why is he better at stopping the run? How is he better at covering?

I mean Beason had 3 Interceptions alone, PWillis had 1 Int and 1 FF. yay way more turnovers!
This year they actually have the same amount of turnovers. Willis has 1 INT, 1 FF, and one fumble recovery while Beason has 3 interceptions. It's pretty obvious to anyone that has watched them both that Willis is the better tackler, Willis sheds blockers and makes tackles around the LoS better, and he has 10 PDs to Beason's 8. The fact is that if Willis was on a division winning team and Beason was on a team with a losing record then Willis would have made the 1st team and if they were both on a team with the same record Willis would have made it as well.
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Beason had no FF and FR? u sure?

fact is that Willis is on the worse defense which gives him alot more opportunities to make a PD or a tackle.
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Beason had no FF and FR? u sure?

fact is that Willis is on the worse defense which gives him alot more opportunities to make a PD or a tackle.
yea even a decent player can build up stats on a bad defense
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1515 yards and 20 TD's doesn't earn an All-Pro nod for Deangelo Williams? What does he need to do?
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Didnt Walter Jones have a down year?
Compared to the rest of his career, yes. But he still played well...the fact that the other 4 guys on the line were playing like crap/hurt made him look bad. He's still one of the best tackles in the game. He did finish the year on IR though....along with the rest of the Seahawks starting OL.
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Only the 3-4 OLB getting selected is pretty ridiculous. Ware and Harrison deserve it, but there are so many 4-3 OLBs that get overlooked. Probably one of the most overlooked positions in the NFL.

Jason Peters was the only pick that really stuck out as an undeserving pick. Otherwise, it is pretty good all around.

And its really hard for road grading blocking FBs to get recognized. Ovie Mughelli did a great job this year, leading the #2 rushing attack. McClain had a great year blocking and running though.

For every 4-3 OLB that gets shafted, theres a 3-4 DE that gets no credit either.
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Jordan Gross is not the best LT in the NFL.

I actually thought Beason had a worse year this year than last

He would be the best RT in the NFL though.

Hes a great LT, but he is an All Pro at RT. No one plays the position better than him.
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1515 yards and 20 TD's doesn't earn an All-Pro nod for Deangelo Williams? What does he need to do?

Well, he got 2nd team...Turner and Peterson got first team, they had more yards.

Although I think Williams has an argument over Peterson, he had twice as many TDs and 9 less fumbles and averaged .7 more YPC with only 250 less yards.
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Compared to the rest of his career, yes. But he still played well...the fact that the other 4 guys on the line were playing like crap/hurt made him look bad. He's still one of the best tackles in the game. He did finish the year on IR though....along with the rest of the Seahawks starting OL.
i guess, i only really saw the Dallas game and he got abused
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For every 4-3 OLB that gets shafted, theres a 3-4 DE that gets no credit either.
This is very true.
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This is very true.
I'm still bitter Aaron Smith didn't make the Pro Bowl. He is one of the most important players on our defense.

After Harrison and Polamalu, I'd take Aaron Smith. He has been so dominant for the Steelers over the years, and people finally began to give him credit after watching the defense collapse after his injury.
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Jason Peters was probably the second worst starting LT in the league this season, behind Kwame Harris.

Anyway, I'm glad Leon Washington made it
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plus whats with all the no jason hanson love? the only bright spot on the lions besides calvin went 8-8 on fieldgoals over 50 yards! plus he only missed one fieldgoal all year which was blocked
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