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Old 01-11-2009, 06:58 PM    (permalink
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IMO if Steve Young made it Kurt Warner has to make it

Steve Young didn't start until he was 30. Off the top of my head, he couldn't have had more than 5-6 HOF years just like Warner. And just like Warner he had HOF talent at Wr.

Warner just like Young as a Super Bowl ring and actually more Super Bowl appearances. And he also has one of the highest passer ratings of all-time.


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I see Steve Young actually made the Pro Bowl 7 years. So I guess so much for that.

Looking at the numbers, Warner needs to have another 2-3 years like that
You never watched Steve Young play did you?
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You never watched Steve Young play did you?
couldnt of have lol otherwise he would know that you shouldnt question youngs HOF
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couldnt of have lol otherwise he would know that you shouldnt question youngs HOF
Im by no means questioning Kurt Warner's HOF credentials.

Im just saying the argument that 6-7 years of greatness isn't enough to make the HOF is not true.


Of course I know Steve Young is also the all-time TD leader in rushing TDs for a QB as well as passer rating. How's that for versatility. But still it was acccomplished with less than a decade of greatness that's all Im saying.

I don't think you need to necessarily play a full 10 years as a HOFer if you have the ring, have been an MVP, etc.
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Im by no means questioning Kurt Warner's HOF credentials.

Im just saying the argument that 6-7 years of greatness isn't enough to make the HOF is not true.


Of course I know Steve Young is also the all-time TD leader in rushing TDs for a QB as well as passer rating. How's that for versatility. But still it was acccomplished with less than a decade of greatness that's all Im saying.

I don't think you need to necessarily play a full 10 years as a HOFer if you have the ring, have been an MVP, etc.
But every year Young started he was arguably the best QB in the league. Warner's accomplishments are great but he didn't have the consistency of a Hall of Famer. He aslo had extreme fumbilitis. I would put Steve McNair and Jeff Garcia in the Hall over him and neither of those guys are Hall of Famers.
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But every year Young started he was arguably the best QB in the league. Warner's accomplishments are great but he didn't have the consistency of a Hall of Famer. He aslo had extreme fumbilitis. I would put Steve McNair and Jeff Garcia in the Hall over him and neither of those guys are Hall of Famers.
Well you do have a point about the fumbles which really hurts Kurt's career TD/TO ratio.
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But every year Young started he was arguably the best QB in the league. Warner's accomplishments are great but he didn't have the consistency of a Hall of Famer. He aslo had extreme fumbilitis. I would put Steve McNair and Jeff Garcia in the Hall over him and neither of those guys are Hall of Famers.
Are you serious?
Warner has MVPs, records, Super Bowls, etc.... what does Garcia have again?
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Steve McNair has an argument fine, but Jeff Garcia has no right to ever be mentioned next to the words HoF.

I think Warner will get into the HoF, maybe not first ballot but eventually, and I think he deserves over McNair IMO.
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Steve Young

Passing Yards - 33,124
Passing TDs / INTs - 232-107
Rushing TDs - 43 (Record for QBs)
Rating - 96.8 (NFL Career Record)
Threw 6 TDs in one super bowl (Record)

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3x Second Team All Pro
3x Superbowl Champion
1x Superbowl MVP
2x NFL, PFWA, and NEA NFL MVP
1x Offensive Player of the Year
1x NFC Player of the Year
1x Bert Bell Award

Just in case anyone else wanted to question Steve Young's HoF credentials.
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Steve Young

Passing Yards - 33,124
Passing TDs / INTs - 232-107
Rushing TDs - 43 (Record for QBs)
Rating - 96.8 (NFL Career Record)
Threw 6 TDs in one super bowl (Record)

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1x NFC Player of the Year
1x Bert Bell Award

Just in case anyone else wanted to question Steve Young's HoF credentials.
No one rational is criticizing Young's Canton credentials. I have to admit I had a tough time drumming up sympathy for his concussions though.
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Are you serious?
Warner has MVPs, records, Super Bowls, etc.... what does Garcia have again?
Warner has two MVPS and went to a Super Bowl but Garcia Garcia was a more consistent QB. Warner's accomplishments look good on paper but Garcia is a better QB.
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Warner has two MVPS and went to a Super Bowl but Garcia Garcia was a more consistent QB. Warner's accomplishments look good on paper but Garcia is a better QB.
When i first read that i didn't think you could be serious, but now that you've come to rebut, i am completely baffled. Jeff Garcia is complete trash compared to Kurt Warner.
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When i first read that i didn't think you could be serious, but now that you've come to rebut, i am completely baffled. Jeff Garcia is complete trash compared to Kurt Warner.
Because Kurt Warner lucked into playing with Faulk, Bruce, Holt, Boldin and Fitsgerald he is better?
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Idk this is tough, if he wins the Super Bowl this year, then I say, yes he belongs.
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This topic seems to be brought up a lot.

30% chance....right now
80% chance.....if Cards win Superbowl.
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even though the Cards didnt win I think Warner is a HOFer
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even though the Cards didnt win I think Warner is a HOFer
he could be... it really just depends if the hall of fame voters are up for it. For now, I think it'll take Warner at least a decade, maybe two, to get in. Especially since there are so many names just waiting to get in.
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I think that Warner will be in the HOF. Obviously, he won't be a slam dunk first ballot, but I think he will get in. He has two MVP's, 1 Super Bowl MVP, and been to the SB 3 times. He is two 2 minutes drives away from having two more Super Bowl titles (that's gotta hurt). I think it will take a while, but eventually I think he gets in.
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He'll get in eventually because history sands off the rough edges on a player.
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Is Warner's postseason career, on average, Top 5 statistically among QBs? I think it just might be.

It's probably better than Peyton's. Got to call it like I see it. There are circumstances involved, but it is what it is. Warner has performed.

I think he needs two more great regular seasons though, to really help his chances of the HOF, and I think he'll achieve that. All this free agent/retirement talk, I think he re-signs with the Cards for at least two more years.
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How many QBs take two teams to the Super Bowl? Warner wasn't just a cog in the wheel either he was an important part of that team. A Super Bowl MVP multiple pro bowl seasons and made it to the big game with two different teams. Also one of the greatest stories in sports. I don't think he is first ballot HOFer but he should be there.
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I'm torn on this. He had some amazing years but he didn't consistenly dominate the league like I think a HoF QB should.

I think he'll get in eventually.
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How many QBs take two teams to the Super Bowl? Warner wasn't just a cog in the wheel either he was an important part of that team. A Super Bowl MVP multiple pro bowl seasons and made it to the big game with two different teams. Also one of the greatest stories in sports. I don't think he is first ballot HOFer but he should be there.
Two teams doesn't do it justice.

The St. Louis Rams and the Arizona Cardinals. There's an incredible emphasis there.
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I'm not really on the Warner for HOF bandwagon, didn't really think about it though. But beyond what was already noted ...

1. He just passed Joe Montana for most career Super Bowl passing yards. Montana played in 4 SBs obviously.

2. And think about it, he put his team in position to win all three Super Bowls. Except the defense could only hang on once to make it happen, 1999. That is tough, but it's not like he plays defense.
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3 highest passing totals in Super Bowl history, and he played very well in all 3 games...Not that it's the final say but a very impressive footnote on his resume.
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