Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Pro Football

Pro Football Discuss professional football.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-02-2009, 12:02 AM    (permalink
someone447
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 4,791
Reputation: 35170
someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I think this game gets him in. It obviously won't be first ballot, but I do believe he will end up in the HOF. He is averaging over 300 yards a game in the playoffs. That is absolutely amazing. He had the lead in the final two minutes in all three Super Bowls. His defense let two of them slip away. He deserves the HOF.
__________________
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Hunter S. Thompson
someone447 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:03 AM    (permalink
XxXdragonXxX
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,307
Reputation: 595736
XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.XxXdragonXxX is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GB12 View Post

If so, Hall of fame class 2013: Kurt Warner, Shaun Alexander


Can we get Kenny Easley in on that class too?
__________________
"Oh **** it's Kam, RUN!!!"
XxXdragonXxX is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:03 AM    (permalink
Brothgar
Team Leader
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 11,351
Reputation: 2488703
Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brothgar is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Steve Young isn't the worst QB to be in the HOF I'd take Warner over Namith.
__________________
Stafford Sig by touchdownrams the rest of the sig by Sig Master Bone Krusher Avy by King of all avys renji


DEATH NOTE MAFIA SIGNUP!

Quote:
Originally Posted by njx9 View Post
oh please. as if canadians even know what beer is.
Brothgar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 11:22 AM    (permalink
TheGM
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 120
Reputation: 723
TheGM is a cocksman.TheGM is a cocksman.TheGM is a cocksman.
Default

Kurt is in for several reasons:
1: his story is a classic and reporters love him
2: The numbers and awards do add up to the hall of fame on paper
3: he led the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl....think about it
4: St. Louis let a franchise QB go so there is an explanation for the 4 year falloff. By the way ask a Rams fan how the move to let Warner go has turned out.
TheGM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 11:28 AM    (permalink
Saints-Tigers
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,889
Reputation: 659348
Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Saints-Tigers is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Just some food for thought, Kurt Warner has been less than mediocre unless he has the top receiving core in the NFL.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNIPER26 View Post
fwiw, i amz deunks ofs myt ass. ilo vez drinmoinz befotre i post. wha t a hreat ideas.z.
Saints-Tigers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:00 PM    (permalink
Gay Ork Wang
Matt Forte = Baby Marcus Allen
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Oktoberfestland
Posts: 19,455
Reputation: 680057
Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

If joe namath makes it, Kurt Warner should.

He has #1, #2 and #3 for most passing yards in the superbowl.
__________________

Gay Ork Wang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:03 PM    (permalink
tony77
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGM View Post
Kurt is in for several reasons:
1: his story is a classic and reporters love him
2: The numbers and awards do add up to the hall of fame on paper
3: he led the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl....think about it
4: St. Louis let a franchise QB go so there is an explanation for the 4 year falloff. By the way ask a Rams fan how the move to let Warner go has turned out.
Agreed. He also never had a running game. Don't tell me Marshall Faulk during this time. He was a backfield receiver/all-purpose guy who was a decent runner
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:21 PM    (permalink
Philliez01
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Suck for Luck <<< Trippin' For Griffin
Posts: 5,322
Reputation: 431630
Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Philliez01 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philliez01 View Post
Probably will be one of the more "debated" players upon entering.

One will see the stats, the ring, the awards and such and remember how he may have been the best in the late-90s. Actually he was the best. He was one Vinatieri kick away from possibly being a two-time Super Bowl champion.

Then the others will see the Martz system, the short length of his career and a couple miserable seasons thrown in with STL and NYG.

Then again, plenty o' HOF'ers have had terrible seasons.

Is it possible he could be the Terrell Davis of QBs? Sure, but I think he will at least consistently make the final cut. But if somehow leads ARZ to a Super Bowl win? It should be a very fun debate.
I have to quote myself here now and revisit this.

Usually I hear people use the same arguments for different players because there is a nice sized line between very good and Hall of Famer. The "guidelines" so to speak tend to be:

1)-Dominance Over A Period Of Time
Warner's absolute dominance in the NFL, where he was considered a top or one of the top QBs, was over a nice three-year window from 1999-2001. Yes, his 2000 season (if memory serves) was injury riddled but he did put up 21 TDs with a 98.3 passer rating (thank you ESPN.Com Stats). So yes, Warner does have his own era of dominance, albeit short.

2)-Playoff Performances
Warner has had amazing playoff success that continued with this run with the Cardinals. In 10 games, he is close to 3,000 playoff passing yards and is 1-3 in Super Bowls. Three SB appearances helps his cause a lot and the fact that he had stellar games in the losses also helps him. He does have this trait.

3)-Can you skip his name when discussing the history of the NFL?
This is debateable. Yes he had his era of dominance, but where does he fit in NFL history? Will we be telling our kids about him? The Greatest Show on Turf in 1999 was one of the most amazing runs in history. 41 TD seasons in your first full year is amazing. I'd say you can't skip his name.

Now, I don't feel like looking at stats but we might have to compare him to other "late bloomers" like Young, Moon, Jake Delhomme (though Warner's far, far, better there stories are a bit similar), etc. His storybook rise will also aid him. He's a popular player, most casual fans should know of him. But we'll see if 4 great seasons help him.
__________________
Is that a rash?



Give JKPIGSKIN credit for this masterpiece
Philliez01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:32 PM    (permalink
Gay Ork Wang
Matt Forte = Baby Marcus Allen
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Oktoberfestland
Posts: 19,455
Reputation: 680057
Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Gay Ork Wang is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Kurt Warner prolly loves Rodney Harrison
__________________

Gay Ork Wang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 12:50 PM    (permalink
Menardo75
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,182
Reputation: 225875
Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I really think he should be a guy that has had as many "Firsts" as he has.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 49erNation85 View Post
I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.
Menardo75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 01:55 PM    (permalink
princefielder28
Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Green Bay, WI
Posts: 26,940
Reputation: 1729895
princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGM View Post
Kurt is in for several reasons:
1: his story is a classic and reporters love him
2: The numbers and awards do add up to the hall of fame on paper
3: he led the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl....think about it
4: St. Louis let a franchise QB go so there is an explanation for the 4 year falloff. By the way ask a Rams fan how the move to let Warner go has turned out.
Marc Bulger was successful during a 3-4 year stretch where Holt and Bruce were a solid duo and the offense still relied heavily on a passing attack.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers View Post
Just some food for thought, Kurt Warner has been less than mediocre unless he has the top receiving core in the NFL.
Yeah, he's always been surrounded with two all-pro caliber WRs and the offense has been pass heavy with little reliance on the running game.
__________________


Follow me on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/aMo_Captain
princefielder28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 02:39 PM    (permalink
Canadian_draft_fan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 853
Reputation: 5708
Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.
Default

I would have to say no. It was correctly pointed out in our local paper today that Warner has had 4 very good years (1999-2001 & 2008) and a 13-29 W/L record in his other seasons. Similar to Terrell Davis - some good years but not the track record of longevity & production.
__________________
Sean Taylor - You'll always be missed but never forgotten
Canadian_draft_fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 02:58 PM    (permalink
holt_bruce81
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 9,121
Reputation: 613058
holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I'm saying Yes now.

2-time MVP, Super Bowl winner. Has a 93.8 career QB rating which ranks him 3rd on the all-time list. 2nd all time in completion% and 4th in yards per completion (8.04).

He's passed for more yards than many Hall of Famers......Staubach, Namath, Van Brocklin, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda and Y.A. Tittle. Also Warner has more Touchdown passes than Aikman, Namath, Staubach and Van Brocklin.

And Warner's story is just amazing, going from bagging groceries to being a Super bowl MVP. Warner lifted two of the league's bottom teams to the highest level of achievement. I mean the Rams were horrible before Warner got there and so were the Cardinals.

He will get in, no doubt in my mind.
__________________
holt_bruce81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 06:27 PM    (permalink
twista6002
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Durkadurkastan
Posts: 743
Reputation: -1093
twista6002 twista6002 twista6002 twista6002 twista6002
Default

Yea but the guy absolutely sucked when he had average weapons.
twista6002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 06:30 PM    (permalink
GB12
Team Leader
Icon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,141
Reputation: 220179
GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
I'm saying Yes now.

2-time MVP, Super Bowl winner. Has a 93.8 career QB rating which ranks him 3rd on the all-time list. 2nd all time in completion% and 4th in yards per completion (8.04).

He's passed for more yards than many Hall of Famers......Staubach, Namath, Van Brocklin, Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, George Blanda and Y.A. Tittle. Also Warner has more Touchdown passes than Aikman, Namath, Staubach and Van Brocklin.

And Warner's story is just amazing, going from bagging groceries to being a Super bowl MVP. Warner lifted two of the league's bottom teams to the highest level of achievement. I mean the Rams were horrible before Warner got there and so were the Cardinals.

He will get in, no doubt in my mind.
Save that crap for ESPN. That should have no influence what so ever on him making the Hall of Fame. It's for the best football players, not feel good stories.
__________________
GB12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 06:47 PM    (permalink
someone447
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 4,791
Reputation: 35170
someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GB12 View Post
Save that crap for ESPN. That should have no influence what so ever on him making the Hall of Fame. It's for the best football players, not feel good stories.
But it will be a factor, regardless of whether or not it should be one.
__________________
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Hunter S. Thompson
someone447 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 06:54 PM    (permalink
holt_bruce81
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 9,121
Reputation: 613058
holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.holt_bruce81 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GB12 View Post
Save that crap for ESPN. That should have no influence what so ever on him making the Hall of Fame. It's for the best football players, not feel good stories.
It will be a factor. Take Joe Namath for example.....His stats are horrible. his career cmp% was 50%, had 173 TDs and 220 INTs.

He's in the Hall of Fame because of one game.
__________________
holt_bruce81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 08:45 PM    (permalink
tjsunstein
Mr. Rodgers' Neighborhood
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Resident Clippers fan
Posts: 15,728
Reputation: 1172327
tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.tjsunstein is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

ESPN fan vote on the sportsnation poll has him in the hall.
77% said yes.
__________________

tjsunstein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 09:10 PM    (permalink
neko4
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: vb
Posts: 12,598
Reputation: 12392
neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
It will be a factor. Take Joe Namath for example.....His stats are horrible. his career cmp% was 50%, had 173 TDs and 220 INTs.

He's in the Hall of Fame because of one game.
Everybody likes to bring up Broadway Joe, but he's the only example (atleast among modern QB's)
Alot of QB's back, back, back in the day had bad stats
__________________



Sig thanks to Bonekrusher
neko4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 09:42 PM    (permalink
Bengalsrocket
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,424
Reputation: 307159
Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bengalsrocket is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by neko4 View Post
Everybody likes to bring up Broadway Joe, but he's the only example (atleast among modern QB's)
Alot of QB's back, back, back in the day had bad stats
Also, Namath should get a little bit of credit for being a pretty good play caller. Remember, in his time, QB's called the plays because coaches didn't have a mic to transmit into the player's helmet :P.

That takes all plays into account, not just the passing ones. Which means his job was not only to find weakness' in the passing defense, but also the rushing defense.

It's part of the reason I think Peyton Manning is such a good QB. His ability to call audibles at the right time is amazing.
Bengalsrocket is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 09:45 PM    (permalink
twista6002
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Durkadurkastan
Posts: 743
Reputation: -1093
twista6002 twista6002 twista6002 twista6002 twista6002
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tjsunstein View Post
ESPN fan vote on the sportsnation poll has him in the hall.
77% said yes.
facepalm.jpg
twista6002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 09:52 PM    (permalink
Hines
Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Western PA
Posts: 30,664
Reputation: 622300
Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Hines is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Do I think he gets in? Yes. I do think it will take him a few years to get in though.
__________________
Hines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2009, 09:58 PM    (permalink
P-L
Head Moderator
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: South Florida
Posts: 30,581
Reputation: 1108093
P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

If the Hall of Fame lets guys like Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath in, how can they leave Kurt Warner out?

A. 136 games: 27,663 yards, 50.1%, 173 TD, 220 INT
B. 168 games: 27,989 yards, 51.9%, 212 TD, 210 INT
C. 110 games: 28,591 yards, 65.4%, 182 TD, 114 INT

I'll give you one guess as to who's stats are represented by the letter "C."
P-L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2009, 07:41 AM    (permalink
tony77
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

P-L, I get what you are saying with this and I really have questions as to how Namath could get in because of one game. Bradshaw at least won two legit Super Bowl MVPs because he made outstanding plays in the 4th quarter to get his team over the top.

What I do not think is necessarily fair is to compare the completion percentages and turnovers from the 60s and 70s vs today. The fact is that the leaders in those categories were just not as good as today. The AFL's leader in Comp% was often in the 55% range, because it was so wide open and wild. Even the NFL leaders in that time frame topped at 62%. In the 70s, the best output was Stabler's 1976 season at 66.7%, but we mostly saw 62-64% in most years. Today we regularly have leaders in the 66-70% range.

Using INTs straight up is a bit tough to do too. George Blanda had 42 INTs in one season in the AFL days, and he is in the Hall. Let's say we used INT % (INT / Pass Att.):

The leaders in the 60s were 4-5% in the AFL and about 3% in the NFL. After the merge, the 70s gave us 2.5-3.0%. Once we got into the 80s, it started to decrease significantly...we had guys finish sub-1% in this category a few times.

I think a couple of things led to this...

1. Bill Walsh as a head coach installed the high-pct West Coast offense that most teams copied or came up with derivatives of.

2. Coaches are more paranoid of losing their jobs than ever, the QB play controls their fate of W's and L's more than ever, so they need QBs who will complete a high percentage of passes AND not turn the ball over.

So to compare the QBs requires something that creates more common ground across the board. You really need to compare the QBs against their contemporaries. Pro Bowls, 1st-Team All-Pro, MVPs, Super Bowl Appearances (maybe even Conference Championship Appearances), and Super Bowl MVPs are good honors to use. Not everyone can win a Super Bowl, but if you do get there you should be rewarded for it.

Statwise, we should probably look at the individual components that go into QB rating: Yards/Pass Att., INT%, Comp%, and TD% and see how many times the QB led the league or finished in the Top 10.

Combining these factors also prevents ridiculous arguments like: "Well Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and Marino didn't so that means he is better."

Warner should be compared to guys like Favre, Peyton Manning, Brady, McNair and the like. Not to Namath and Bradshaw.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2009, 08:44 AM    (permalink
Bucs_Rule
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,092
Reputation: 36574
Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Bucs_Rule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Being compared to the first 3 isn't fair as they are sure fire first ballot locks, only a tiny few HOFers are. That would be like comparing all backs to Patyon or receivers to Rice. He'll be compared with other guys that are on the fence like Shannon Sharpe or Junoir Seau and McNair too.
Bucs_Rule is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.