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Old 01-11-2009, 11:30 PM    (permalink
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Hey guys I swear this is the real missing piece this time.
My thoughts exactly.
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I have no doubt that Minnesota has probably inquired about Cassel. However, what are the chances that they have already offered picks, a contract, and it has been leaked to the media. This is all speculation and I am sure there is very little truth to any of the details.
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A QB with the combination of proven talent AND potential that Cassel has will never be cheap.
Cassel has neither proved himself to be a franchise QB, nor is he all that talented. He got a chance with a great offense and is an above average starter. Let's not make too much of this.
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Cassel has neither proved himself to be a franchise QB, nor is he all that talented. He got a chance with a great offense and is an above average starter. Let's not make too much of this.
Well he was an above average starter within that offense. Who knows what he'd be in a place like Minny....scary/somewhat disgusting thought considering how much we'd have to pay to get him.
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For that price Moss should come with.

Jared Allen was a great pickup but it also scared the .... out of me when Cherilus rammed his knee... there are advantages to one great player but also if one ACL goes...

The Herschel Walker trade is overrated in terms of idiocy. Walker was established but not old, he just started to not do so well (though 1000 yards was better then for one guy).

Sure the Cowboys picked up SOME of the pieces to win three rings (going 1-15 helped), but if not them then the 49ers, Skins, and Giants would win them all anyway.
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Vikings wont give up more then a 1st round.

I'm looking for then to give up 2009 2nd round and 2010 2nd round
and if he makes the probowl then it becomes a 1st round in 2010
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Rick Spielman is the guy who gave up a 2nd rounder to get A.J. Feeley. If he wants a QB he's getting his QB, and nobody will stop him from giving up way too much for him.
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Rick Spielman is the guy who gave up a 2nd rounder to get A.J. Feeley. If he wants a QB he's getting his QB, and nobody will stop him from giving up way too much for him.
And the Pats will have no problem playing hardball.
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I didn't think Jackson was all that terrible in his last few games, besides he's played 25 games in his whole career. I'd agree with Vikings fans that want to win right away, but I don't think Cassel is necessarily an upgrade.

Oh and as far as the Pats relenting on their asking price, just ask Seattle about that.
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Wow, a first AND second rounder? I'd be happy with just the first, or a pair of seconds. What do you guys think?
I think the reason they're asking so much is two fold

1. They're holding all of the cards. Cassell is franchised and with Tom Brady's future unknown, they're holding all of the cards regarding a trade.

2. Tom Brady's future is unknown and Cassell did well for them this year. Im not in any way surprised they franchised him. After all, if Brady returns next year, Cassell can be traded, but if he doesn't, they'll probably sign Cassell to a long term deal.
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Vikings wont give up more then a 1st round.

I'm looking for then to give up 2009 2nd round and 2010 2nd round
and if he makes the probowl then it becomes a 1st round in 2010
No way in hell. Do you have any idea how little that is worth? A future pick is worth the value of the following round in the current draft.

Essentially they would be trading Cassel for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick in your scenario. That's absurd.

Make no mistake, the Pats will get a great bounty out of this. I don't think the Vikings "offer" is so far off, I just think it's a bad idea.
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We got a first for freakin deion Branch...... Matt Cassell is going to get us a ton of value if we opt to trade him. And I was his biggest critic at the start of the season, and after watching him every game he really turned out to be a stud for us. His deep ball needs work, but for coming into the NFL having not played since high school, the kid did a great job.
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1st and 2nd? Hell, Minnesota, please do this! I'll take it in a heartbeat.
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Cassel has neither proved himself to be a franchise QB, nor is he all that talented. He got a chance with a great offense and is an above average starter. Let's not make too much of this.
I think he's pretty talented. He was one of the top recruits coming out of high school, and just barely lost the battle for starting QB to Matt Lienart. So, I d say he's got plenty of talent.
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So if this happens the Vikes would have given up 2 1sts, a 2nd and 2 3rds for Matty Castle and Jared Allen.

Hmmm
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This would probably be one of the top 5 dumbest moves of all time.
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no way around it. it would be dumb. on so many levels.

1-paying THAT much money for a guy that had one good year in a system where everybody seems to excel under a coach that brings out the best in players.

2-sending AT LEAST another first round pick to another team when the vikings would be far from a complete team even with a competent QB.

I wouldn't really blame the vikings for making a move like this. The window might be closing considering their defense is built around aging players like Pat Williams, Antoinin Winfield and Darren Sharper. And, Adrian Peterson could go down at any time.

But, not having a first round pick 2 years in a row could really catch up them when the aging players finally start to show their age. rebuilding mode may be sooner than we think.
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For the people saying it's stupid for the Vikings to get Cassel:

They won the division and made the playoffs this year without a legitimate starting quarterback. I'm not saying Tarvaris Jackson couldn't ever be a good quarterback, but if you have a chance to land the best guy on the market for a first-round pick, I would do it. The Vikings' team could reasonably contend for a title if they had a passer. The Lombardi Trophy is worth a first-round pick to me.
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If they are willing to give up that much for Cassel, why not trade up for Bradford...
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No, they wouldn't contend. They would still need another safety and 1-2 good receivers besides a good QB to contend, and that's just looking at the starters.
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No, they wouldn't contend. They would still need another safety and 1-2 good receivers besides a good QB to contend, and that's just looking at the starters.
exactly. QB is not the only piece the vikings are missing. they still have mediocre recievers, only one good CB, trouble at safety and not the best right side of the o-line.

the thing about the vikes is; their strengths are REALLY good. good enough to cover up their weaknesses. but, i don't think they're the kind of team that can afford to get rid of 2 high draft picks for one player.
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If they are willing to give up that much for Cassel, why not trade up for Bradford...
I'd rather have Cassel than bradford. I know there might not be a lot of people who agree with me, but his 1 year in the NFL is worth more than 2 years in college, experience wise anyways.

Either way though, both are a risk.
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Because you'd be paying just as much and giving up just as much for someone with 0 NFL experience.

Cassel isn't completely polished but he's got an 11-5 season and a ton of snaps under his belt, not to mention years of working and studying with some of the best coaches in the NFL.

Cassel is a crazy trade commodity if you think about it. A young potential franchise QB with a year of quality football under his belt and no glaring weaknesses or baggage is not something that is EVER shopped around.
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Darren Sharper likely isn't coming back, for what it's worth.
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No, they wouldn't contend. They would still need another safety and 1-2 good receivers besides a good QB to contend, and that's just looking at the starters.
They played with possible NFC Champion Eagles in round one and were not outclassed by much, especially before the Westbrook TD. The major difference in the game was the ineptitude of the QB.

A QB could improve the play of the WRs around him.

And we love draft picks here on this draft site, but some of them don't pan out and many of them don't make an impact at all in year one.

The Vikings are built to win now, and I don't think its really arguable that by improving the QB position a playoff team could not then ascend to the next echelon of the NFL.
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