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Old 01-12-2009, 12:44 PM    (permalink
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Do it. Do it now. Its probably a bit pricey but how many QBs are traded anyway. If they dont think Tavaris is the answer then why not? As for trading up for Bradford, he will take a while getting used to playing in a pro style offense and they are built to win now. Im not sure how Cassel will fair with Berrian though as hes a good deep threat and that is a major weakness in Cassel's game.
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If we could get that much for him I would be very suprised. There is too many uncertanties right now, the status of Brady being the main issue. We can't just give Cassel away if Brady isn't ready to go and hope Kevin O'Connel can be succesful when he's thrown into the fire. If Brady is ready to go and we get another first and second rounder, it would be hard to turn down. Thats a big "if" though.
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Am I evil because I think Sexy Rexy is a really good fit for the Vikes? Sign him, draft a RT, and he'll have great protection, which might finally settle him down.
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Am I evil because I think Sexy Rexy is a really good fit for the Vikes? Sign him, draft a RT, and he'll have great protection, which might finally settle him down.
I could totally see it too since they have such a good coach in Chilly to turn Rexy around...
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I don't mind Rexy coming to Carolina for camp, just to compete. I don't think he'd be better than Delhomme or Moore, but at times he has been amazingly good and amazingly bad.

God, I just re-read that post, that's how bad Delhomme played against Arizona, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Rex Grossman in Carolina.
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I don't mind Rexy coming to Carolina for camp, just to compete. I don't think he'd be better than Delhomme or Moore, but at times he has been amazingly good and amazingly bad.

God, I just re-read that post, that's how bad Delhomme played against Arizona, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Rex Grossman in Carolina.
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Because you'd be paying just as much and giving up just as much for someone with 0 NFL experience.

Cassel isn't completely polished but he's got an 11-5 season and a ton of snaps under his belt, not to mention years of working and studying with some of the best coaches in the NFL.

Cassel is a crazy trade commodity if you think about it. A young potential franchise QB with a year of quality football under his belt and no glaring weaknesses or baggage is not something that is EVER shopped around.
I would take Bradford's upside and talent over Cassel's "experience" and upside.
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They played with possible NFC Champion Eagles in round one and were not outclassed by much, especially before the Westbrook TD. The major difference in the game was the ineptitude of the QB.

A QB could improve the play of the WRs around him.

And we love draft picks here on this draft site, but some of them don't pan out and many of them don't make an impact at all in year one.

The Vikings are built to win now, and I don't think its really arguable that by improving the QB position a playoff team could not then ascend to the next echelon of the NFL.
No QB is going to make a difference there until they upgrade at WR.

LOL At Matt Cassel being worth a 1st and a 2nd and that much money after one year in the Pats sytem with elite talent around him
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No QB is going to make a difference there until they upgrade at WR.

LOL At Matt Cassel being worth a 1st and a 2nd and that much money after one year in the Pats sytem with elite talent around him
They're fine at WR their biggest problem is balding on the sidelines with a crappy porn stache.
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LOL At Matt Cassel being worth a 1st and a 2nd and that much money after one year in the Pats sytem with elite talent around him
I still dont understand where all the hate comes from. Cassell played extremely well for us for the second half of the season, made huge plays with his arm, and his legs. Considering some of the other players who got big picks and alot of money, if Cassell worked out for another team they wouldnt regret it.
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They're fine at WR their biggest problem is balding on the sidelines with a crappy porn stache.
Show some respect please, it's a crappy child molester stache.
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It's probably the other way around.
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A good Qb can make a difference even if Minn dosent have the greatest receivers. A good Qb can make smart throws, feel pocket pressure, and not turn the ball over, all of which they dont have. Sure he might not be making huuuge plays and 40 yards throws all the time, but wouldnt it be better to have a solid Qb who dosent turn the ball over and give the team a better shot to win? I'd think so. I mean look at the pats two years ago before they loaded up. Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson (who you cant really count) Gabriel whats his name. We still went to the AFC conference championship game with those wrs. I'd say using the argument that a good Qb cant help a team until they have better receivers is pretty moot.
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A good Qb can make a difference even if Minn dosent have the greatest receivers. A good Qb can make smart throws, feel pocket pressure, and not turn the ball over, all of which they dont have. Sure he might not be making huuuge plays and 40 yards throws all the time, but wouldnt it be better to have a solid Qb who dosent turn the ball over and give the team a better shot to win? I'd think so. I mean look at the pats two years ago before they loaded up. Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson (who you cant really count) Gabriel whats his name. We still went to the AFC conference championship game with those wrs. I'd say using the argument that a good Qb cant help a team until they have better receivers is pretty moot.
Let's not jump to conclusions and compare Matt Cassel to Tom Brady yet...
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I cant see Warner coming back for another year Longhorns Legend..as long as the Cards dont win the Superbowl..Cassel came into the league this year with no evaluation whatsoever and led the pats to 11-5... the Vikes could have a franchise qb but Childress isnt the brightest coach for him
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The Vikings need to try to win NOW. They won't have Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, and all those other talented players in their prime forever. They are clearly in the market for a QB ready to step right in and be a quality starter from day 1. They should be looking at all possible ways to find a QB with experience who can step right in. They may also want to consider calling the Cardinals about Leinart, Browns about one of their QB's and any other team that may have a QB they could use. Cassell is one of a number of options.
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cassel would be fine and even when you draft bradford it will also cost you a first. Do also remember cassel is still quite young so its not like you have him really short or anything like that. I'd say grab cassel draft murphy and then i wouldnt want to play you next season.
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I don't think he's comparing Brady to Cassell, just that with a good QB a team can win with average receivers
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The Vikings need to try to win NOW. They won't have Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, and all those other talented players in their prime forever.
Then they need to find a way to merge their defense and run game with the Arizona Cardinals passing attack. If they can do that, they're going 19-0. Otherwise........ the primes of those particular players WILL be going to waste. And there is no in between.
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Let's not jump to conclusions and compare Matt Cassel to Tom Brady yet...
Wasnt trying to, Just stating that the comment about a good Qb cant do anything until he has receivers comment is pointless. That isnt true.
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Vikes could even pick up Garcia since the pass blocking is terrible..and garcia is a tad more mobile
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Vikes could even pick up Garcia since the pass blocking is terrible..and garcia is a tad more mobile
More mobile then Cassell? Cassell is easily more mobile, made a countless number of plays with his legs.
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Vikes could even pick up Garcia since the pass blocking is terrible..and garcia is a tad more mobile
I dunno about that..Cassell is pretty mobile, picking up key 3rd and 4th downs this year with his legs
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