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Old 01-12-2009, 04:45 PM    (permalink
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yes more mobile then cassell
You would be mistaken. 2008 rushing stats

Garcia- 148 yards, 1 td

Casell- 270 yards, 3 tds

Plus there is that age thing. They need a franchise Qb, not someone who can help them for a season.
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Garcia is great getting out of the pocket... but i would like cassell for the youth and development
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Tyler Thigpen is the most mobile Qb in the game!! :)

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I think when it comes down to it, a team could get Cassel for a 1st round pick this year, and a conditional 4th next year which could increase up to a 2nd rounder. This makes sense, IMO. Cassel is no bigger of a risk then any other 1st round QB, but is much more polished and has the potential to be a franchise QB and all-pro player, IMO. So while you'd be giving up more for Cassel, you'd likely be getting a guy with the same potential who can start right away.
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How long has Pete Carroll been a "no-nonsense coach"? Anyway, I'd love it if the Vikings did this.
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The Vikings are either very smart or very stupid by showing so much interest in Cassel. If they feel they need him this off-season its incredibly stupid as it shows more desperation and will drive up the price NE will ask. They should downplay their interest and show a lot of confidence in Jackson and seem to reluctantly trade for Cassel because the price is very good.

Its really smart if they don't want to use a 1st rounder on Cassel and wait until he becomes a FA next season. By showing desperation their driving up the demands that NE will have for him and this might scare off some teams. Cassel will also see the great interest and might turn down offers from bad teams becomes he thinks Minny will go after him hard next off-season. Why play for SF when you can sit on the bench, collect 14 million and play for a much better Minny team next season.
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I think you're looking into that way too much. No one is going to be fooled into thinking Jackson is worth a damn. Only one that'd fall for that would be Brad Childress.
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Agreed with GB12, plus never under estimate the stupidity of some teams, I hate to say it again but we got a first for deion branch.
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Haha its so true.
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I also feel inclined at this point to say that John David Booty not only deserves a shot, but needs a shot, and babies will cry if he does not get a serious shot.
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I really think that everyone is over rating Matt Cassel. He has had one year. He had a superstar offense to help him. And as a Vikings fan...I know what its like to have someone like Randy Moss on the team.

Think about this...Daunte Culpepper was good until Randy Moss was traded. Now by any means, Matt Cassel is far better than Culpepper. But its still reason for concern.

I don't want to spend an arm and a leg and Brad Childress's midget sized dick on Cassel. Maybe a second round pick this year, and if he makes the Pro-Bowl with the Vikings then the Vikes give the Pats their first round pick. Until then, I don't want to see Cassel anywhere near the Metradome.

If the Vikings don't make the Super Bowl in the next three years I gaurentee we will turn into the L.A. Vikings. Thats why I don't want to trade our first and second round draft picks on Cassel. It's not worth it. Jackson gave me a spark of hope at the end of the season. If he sucks...then lets give the ball to JDB and see what he can do.

AFTER that, think about trading for Cassel.
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I will feel bad for vikings fans if they do this.
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I still dont understand where all the hate comes from. Cassell played extremely well for us for the second half of the season, made huge plays with his arm, and his legs. Considering some of the other players who got big picks and alot of money, if Cassell worked out for another team they wouldnt regret it.
It's not hate at all. It's a difference between, "hey maybe that Matt Cassel guy can start", and hey let's invest our entire future in this kid in terms of draft picks and money.

There is no way you can read that much into one season, especially a season that was as conducive for success as that one.
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It's not hate at all. It's a difference between, "hey maybe that Matt Cassel guy can start", and hey let's invest our entire future in this kid in terms of draft picks and money.

There is no way you can read that much into one season, especially a season that was as conducive for success as that one.
That is the same thing that people do with rookie quarterbacks, except with more money sometimes and they still use the same amount of picks (if they trade up a la Browns for Quinn). Cassell has starting NFL experience and is still young (26), so its not like he is so much older than a rookie QB.
I'm not saying he is the clear best option, but he could end up being the best option.
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Well Schaub got Atlanta two 2nds and a swap of firsts and Cassel is worth more than him. Though a 1st and a 2nd is a bit steep...
I believe that scouts think that this draft class is pretty weak. Which is why teams are seemingly being put over a barrell for talent.
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well if the vikes decide to go with qb with their first round pick your most likely going to have to shell out the same amount of money for someone whos is going to have to get used to the pro level while learning a new system . Granted, Casell is going to have to get used to the new system as well, but I'd feel much better with him in then a rookie who would most likely make alot more mistakes, which in that case why wouldnt you just go with Jackson because hes just horrible. And lol at gettng Matt for a second round pick under any conditions. I promise we'll get nothing less then AT LEAST a first rounder.
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They would pay the QB less if they stood still in the draft and drafted a QB that they fell in love with. I see the Vikes as a team that could go for Cassel, but they have lraedy givien up alot of draft picks for Allen. The only way they get Cassel if they really think he is the answer. Remember who the head coach is and who fell in love with Tavaris.
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That is the same thing that people do with rookie quarterbacks, except with more money sometimes and they still use the same amount of picks (if they trade up a la Browns for Quinn). Cassell has starting NFL experience and is still young (26), so its not like he is so much older than a rookie QB.
I'm not saying he is the clear best option, but he could end up being the best option.
Well A) A rookie QB takes one draft pick not 2+ and B)The rookie QB is usually drafted off of more than one season where they are surrounded by talent

And C)He will be 27 next year. He is closer to the age of Carson Palmer the last great USC QB than he is to a rookie.

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Well A) A rookie QB takes one draft pick not 2+ and B)The rookie QB is usually drafted off of more than one season where they are surrounded by talent

And C)He will be 27 next year. He is closer to the age of Donovan McNabb than he is to a rookie.


I would take "only" one 11-5 NFL season with multiple 400+ yard games over four years of college starting experience any day.

I don't know how you can really argue against going with Cassel. The price is too steep of course. Why? It's the Patriots and he's a young quarterback. The Patriots will play hardball and quarterbacks are the most coveted and valued players in the game. These are facts.

Too steep to us who love draft picks yes, but they've exhausted their options (develop young rookie, journeyman vet), and losing out on Alphonso Smith or Michael Oher for a potentially franchise-lifting QB is at the very least not stupid. And if you want to be cute and say "and they give up the 2nd rounder too!"- realistically if you think you can get a franchise QB, no second round draft pick will stop you.
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I don't think it's a Question of value if he is the missing piece then he would be worth it but we have yet to see if Booty might turn out to be a franchise QB if you could pick up any seasoned veteran that could give you a year or two of solidarity and at the same time help out Booty you may end up with the next Matt Cassel, I just think they have other things they could do with the money and picks like pick up said seasoned vet and improve another part of your team.
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:38 PM    (permalink
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I think Cassell is on his way to being a very good QB. The team (and there will be a team, vikes or otherwise) that takes the risk on him will be rewarded. He may struggle a little initially if the system is completely different, but he will still be good.

I'm not sure it's a good move for the Vikings, but only b/c they gave up so many draft picks already. It is true that no # of picks is too high a cost if they're traded for a guy that leads you to the championship, but picks are still necessary on a year to year basis to fill other holes. Losing guys to FA, old age, and mediocrity is tough. Giving up 4 or 5 top round picks over 2 years is very tough to get over in the long run.


EDIT: JDB should get a chance, too. What a blunder it would be to give up that much without even giving the guy a shot.
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The Vikes issue isn't WR, its the supporting guys like TE's and FBs dropping easy check downs that hurts their drives more than anything. Most of the successful offenses have those FBs and TEs that catch the three or four yard ins and outs once or twice a game each that keep drives ticking over. Minnesota has Berrian and Taylor and that's about it, Rice is developing but outside of those guys no one really makes any type of even simple play.
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The Minnesota Vikings have shown countless times that their draft picks are as good as crap, because they can't seem to get any of them right (outside the amazing players that fall to their laps). If all it takes is ONE first rounder for Cassell, do that as fast as you can say "Brad Childress blows".

The more the picks add up, the more reluctant i'd be, obviously, but if it's something like a first and a third, i think you go with that. At the bottom of the first round, chances are you're not gonna get an elite quarterback, and that's really all that's lacking in your offense to be at the top of the NFC.
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BOE is right, the answer to the Vikings QB problems will be found in a man named John David Booty aka the saviour of the Vikings.
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