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Old 01-15-2009, 07:58 AM    (permalink
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And i agree no quick turnaround is going to happen here, but if i was GM i would build my team starting on the OLine.

As crazy as it sounds i might even take Tebow next year instead of Stafford this year. I know the offense he's in now is very different from a pro-style like Georgia's so his transition would undoubtedly take longer than Stafford's but are the lions going to win in the next 4 years? No.

So why not get a franchise LT in Andre Smith, a Great OG in Duke Robinson at #20 this year, and add your QB next year.

I had never really been on the Tebow bandwagon until this year. But he can make almost all the throws (he threw 30 Td's this year, regardless of system that takes serious talent in the SEC and if CJ can catch 12 TDs and 1300+ yds this year imagine what he could do with a good QB) he can run better than 95% of QB's (12 TD's and any extra dimension to the Lions offense would be a good one, gimmicks help when there's a lack of talent) and he is Mr. Intangibles.

Tebow is the leader this team has been looking for, the face of the franchise kind of kid. If anyone can turn this team around it's him, just because of the kind of guy he is and his undeniable skill set.

Its true he may not be perfect as a QB, but he's certainly better than anyone we have now and i think he will ultimately out play all the stereotypes coming into the league and be a solid starter for any team.

I realize this argument is better saved for next year but i think this is an idea at the very least worth considering.

So my vote is to draft OLine and defense this entire draft and build out from there, with Tebow as a possibility next year.

Let the ripping begin.
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Anyone who wants the Lions to draft anyone other than Sanchez or Stafford with the #1 pick is scared and clueless. First of all, good teams don't let past QB busts scare them from taking another QB years later. It's a chance worth taking. The Ravens didn't let Boller scare them away from drafting Flacco, the Colts didn't let Jeff George scare them away from drafting Manning, etc. The QB crop looks weak as heck after Stafford and Sanchez, and the O-line crop looks fairly deep. Unless they can get some kind of great trade down offer, the Lions will be drafting Stafford or Sanchez #1. The rest of their picks and FA will be used for the defense, O-line and other needs. The Lions will be the same ole Lions if they pass on a potential franchise QB for yet another first round OT.
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Anyone who wants the Lions to draft anyone other than Sanchez or Stafford with the #1 pick is scared and clueless. First of all, good teams don't let past QB busts scare them from taking another QB years later. It's a chance worth taking. The Ravens didn't let Boller scare them away from drafting Flacco, the Colts didn't let Jeff George scare them away from drafting Manning, etc. The QB crop looks weak as heck after Stafford and Sanchez, and the O-line crop looks fairly deep. Unless they can get some kind of great trade down offer, the Lions will be drafting Stafford or Sanchez #1. The rest of their picks and FA will be used for the defense, O-line and other needs. The Lions will be the same ole Lions if they pass on a potential franchise QB for yet another first round OT.
Hallelujah. Great post. Actually they'll probably be the same ole Lions even with Stafford because it will take more than just a franchise QB to fix this disaster. Better on O with Stafford(or maybe he sits) but still a ways to go on the D and Oline. 2-3 years with Stafford and some built up developed D and Oline(not just rookie D players or Oline) then the Lions can be a decent team. Assuming Stafford and his help pan out. 4-6 wins at best next year unfortunately but once again we are in full rebuilding mode.
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And i agree no quick turnaround is going to happen here, but if i was GM i would build my team starting on the OLine.

As crazy as it sounds i might even take Tebow next year instead of Stafford this year. I know the offense he's in now is very different from a pro-style like Georgia's so his transition would undoubtedly take longer than Stafford's but are the lions going to win in the next 4 years? No.

So why not get a franchise LT in Andre Smith, a Great OG in Duke Robinson at #20 this year, and add your QB next year.

I had never really been on the Tebow bandwagon until this year. But he can make almost all the throws (he threw 30 Td's this year, regardless of system that takes serious talent in the SEC and if CJ can catch 12 TDs and 1300+ yds this year imagine what he could do with a good QB) he can run better than 95% of QB's (12 TD's and any extra dimension to the Lions offense would be a good one, gimmicks help when there's a lack of talent) and he is Mr. Intangibles.

Tebow is the leader this team has been looking for, the face of the franchise kind of kid. If anyone can turn this team around it's him, just because of the kind of guy he is and his undeniable skill set.

Its true he may not be perfect as a QB, but he's certainly better than anyone we have now and i think he will ultimately out play all the stereotypes coming into the league and be a solid starter for any team.

I realize this argument is better saved for next year but i think this is an idea at the very least worth considering.

So my vote is to draft OLine and defense this entire draft and build out from there, with Tebow as a possibility next year.

Let the ripping begin.
Cade McNown was also Mr.Intangibles. To be a great QB you need a lot more than that. I also endorse Halsey's post.
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Most of our head coaching candidates are saying "We are going to concentrate on the run." How are we going to run the ball without an O-Line. So I believe that at some point in this draft or offseason we have to address the O-Line. But we all agree that we can only really put one pick into the offense this draft unless someone falls.
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I like how Pat Caputo and the guys on 97.1 haven't realized how good Stafford is yet. We should have Scott call in.
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I like how Pat Caputo and the guys on 97.1 haven't realized how good Stafford is yet. We should have Scott call in.
I really want to see Scott's Scouting Report on Stafford.
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Scott is incredibly high on Stafford from I've seen in the NFL draft forum.
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I like how Pat Caputo and the guys on 97.1 haven't realized how good Stafford is yet. We should have Scott call in.
Haha. Once we draft him though, they'll think everything is fixed, even though its going to take a lot more than Stafford. Stafford is only the starting point. Free agency should be interesting this year too. Everyone can't wait to play for an 0-16 squad.
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I like how Pat Caputo and the guys on 97.1 haven't realized how good Stafford is yet. We should have Scott call in.
I think Pat Caputo is one of the few guys in the Detroit media who actually wants a QB this year in the draft, I just don't think he's sold on Stafford or Sanchez being that guy yet.

The rest of the guys are dead set against a QB, even if it were an Eli-Manning type of can't miss QB.
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So does Sanchez declairing change anything?
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i agree with the thinking that the lions have some great supporting players but lack the engines to drive the team. we need the elite qb to spread the defense out. we need an impact dlineman to make redding and/or white and/or avril better. we need our middle linebacker. we also desperately need more talent at corner. if we can just grab a few of these needs then the team will come together. i do think we need to get bigger and tougher on the line, however i think backus will have a bounce back year with a real qb under center. let's face it, dan-o had zero pocket awareness and had no idea where a rush would be coming from. he was always one step behind the defensive scheme.

i think we need some combination of three of these guys: stafford, raji, v. davis, ev. brown, laurinaitis, orakpo, and maualuga. obviously a few of these guys might be out of our reach, but a few should fall to where we can grab them with our first 3 picks. there are also a few guys that we can substitute instead, like sanchez and cody, and a few others but the end result remains the same. after we grab those guys with the first 3 picks then we can use our 2 third round picks and below for what we miss and general bpa.

1a.stafford/sanchez
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2.laurinaitis/michael johnson
3a.ron brace/cj spiller/herzlich
3b.jamon meredith/lindley/sean smith/darius butler

i like meredith. he's a great run blocker and if backus ends up not being worth it then he can push him for time, if not then he can move inside to guard. i chose spiller because of dynamic return skills and we're one kevin smith injury away from not having a running game. i wouldn't mind ringer if he fell to the 4th round. (minor version of mike hart syndrome-too many rbs and no demand) Laurinaitis deserves a look at our first round pick even more because spikes is going back to florida. our 5th round picks can be almost anything. also, now that gresham is gone i don't see us going TE before round 5 because eagles should grab pettigrew and because of our pick locations and other talent available, although i would be alright with a 3rd round pick if they did.
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i don't know about sanchez changing much. if they were seniors then we'd have an entire week of analysis of how they practice and then play under similar circumstances. now we just have maybe combine and pro day stuff. i love sanchez but he has less film than stafford and qualifies as higher risk even though i like his game. it'll just be too tough to determine if his superior gamesmanship is due to his own studying and abilities or from the geniuses at USC always being one step ahead of the game. i still think stafford is cutler and sanchez is drew brees.(sean payton and sarkisian great coordinators/coaches)
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i don't know about sanchez changing much. if they were seniors then we'd have an entire week of analysis of how they practice and then play under similar circumstances. now we just have maybe combine and pro day stuff. i love sanchez but he has less film than stafford and qualifies as higher risk even though i like his game. it'll just be too tough to determine if his superior gamesmanship is due to his own studying and abilities or from the geniuses at USC always being one step ahead of the game. i still think stafford is cutler and sanchez is drew brees.(sean payton and sarkisian great coordinators/coaches)
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lol yeah, win-win by my book. i'd say elite physical tools and locking on to one guy vs better prepared and mr open receiver.
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Does anyone seeing Curry as being a possibility for us?
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Big arm and lacks game management and also has tons of mental lapses. Ryan Leaf Part II. No thank you
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Curry is the only defender I'd take #1.

That said, I'd rather go Stafford or OT at #1.
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Curry is the only defender I'd take #1.

That said, I'd rather go Stafford or OT at #1.
On a 1 to 10, how pissed would you be if we took Curry? And where would you want to play him? Inside or outside?
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We are better served by trading down and letting someone else go Stafford.

While in the Division, Minny, Chicago are good partners. The Jets, North Carolina, Seattle and 49ers are all possible dancing partners IMHO.

Getting a 1 and two 2s in exchange is good enuff and it would give us control over the early part of the draft plus give us a few extra picks for next year.

2 1s (Sanchez plus a LT like Oher)
2 2s (Maybin plus CB like Macho Harris)
2 3s (Jon Luigs and a RB CJ Spiller)

That is quality for restocking the cubbard.

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On a 1 to 10, how pissed would you be if we took Curry? And where would you want to play him? Inside or outside?
Where ever he'd be most effective. I'd bet he's not a SLB, but rather a WLB if he's gonna play outside. I'd probably stick him in the middle.

I wouldn't be totally pissed. With 10 being ******* irate and 1 being mildly indifferent, I'd be a 6.

QB is my #1 option assuming one is worthy, and trading down is my #2 choice. Curry is probably preferred to Andre Smith though.
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On a 1 to 10, how pissed would you be if we took Curry? And where would you want to play him? Inside or outside?
Curry is an ILB IMHO. Wouldn't go that high for ILB. Prefer to take Maybin from Penn St with a high ceiling at OLB or DE in the second
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We are better served by trading down and letting someone else go Stafford.

While in the Division, Minny, Chicago are good partners. The Jets, North Carolina, Seattle and 49ers are all possible dancing partners IMHO.

Getting a 1 and two 2s in exchange is good enuff and it would give us control over the early part of the draft plus give us a few extra picks for next year.
Minnesota, Chicago, the Jets and Carolina are all way too far down to trade up to number one overall, or to be worth us trading that far down. Even the 49ers moving up 8 spots would be pretty tough to get enough value in return. Seattle might be the only one out of that group with a realistic chance to give us enough to move up to one.
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