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Old 01-13-2009, 08:45 PM    (permalink
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i'm sorry but luck is the biggest crock of **** of all time. Luck? luck? how do you define what is luck and what's not? it's such ****. Sure, I'll give Tyree's catch some luck, but what about the other crucial 3rd down completion to Smith? driving down the field with under 2 minutes. Luck in sports is the biggest crock of **** ever. That's just ignorant chalking up a whole Super Bowl win to ************* luck
Lol i'm sorry i got you all worked, up, it wasn't my intention at all. But without that lucky pass and catch by Tyree, i don't think there's an end to that drive. Or it surely would have made it a heck of a lot tougher.

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scotty I wouldn't pay attention to what Metsox says. He is the 2nd biggest Eli hater on this board and I have yet to respect a post he has made about him.

Luck? haha....child's play. If you are going to mention the word luck, then we can bring Romo into the discussion more but I'll take the high road.
Who's the biggest Eli hater? I don't hate Eli, i just think he got too much credit before. This post-season brought all the Giants fans back to earth on what they truly have at the QB position.
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Bingo. Why is postseason success such a huge criteria in ranking great players? Because when it comes down to it, winning is the only thing that matters. Stats don't mean **** if you can't get it done in the only season that counts - the postseason.
Winning is what matters, when you compare teams. Seeing as football is a team sport, you can't use the accomplishments of the team to try to judge the individuals.
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Bingo. Why is postseason success such a huge criteria in ranking great players? Because when it comes down to it, winning is the only thing that matters. Stats don't mean **** if you can't get it done in the only season that counts - the postseason.
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That's how I see it.

Romo is 5-10 in December/January with 16 TDs and 20 INTs. Talk about clutch.
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Lol i'm sorry i got you all worked, up, it wasn't my intention at all. But without that lucky pass and catch by Tyree, i don't think there's an end to that drive. Or it surely would have made it a heck of a lot tougher.



Who's the biggest Eli hater? I don't hate Eli, i just think he got too much credit before. This post-season brought all the Giants fans back to earth on what they truly have at the QB position.
i don't mean to get worked up, I just think luck is the biggest crock of **** ever in sports other than plays like halfcourt heaves and bounces on punts, hockey goals etc.

People also fail to realize the play to Tyree came on 3rd and 5(IIRC, the yardage could be off).
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Eli did what he had to do to win last year. I think his role is defined, and he does well in it. Romo is a good QB, but obviously he cant do what he needs to to let his team win when it counts ;)
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Eli did what he had to do to win last year. I think his role is defined, and he does well in it. Romo is a good QB, but obviously he cant do what he needs to to let his team win when it counts ;)
If It wasn't for Romo, we'd have been 5-11 this year
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If It wasn't for Romo, we'd have been 5-11 this year
And mr. know it all...what would the Giants record have been without Eli? Since you have that crystal ball in front of you.
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i don't mean to get worked up, I just think luck is the biggest crock of **** ever in sports other than plays like halfcourt heaves and bounces on punts, hockey goals etc.

People also fail to realize the play to Tyree came on 3rd and 5(IIRC, the yardage could be off).
Well i guess everyone can define luck in a different way, but running away from tackles from guys that usually don't miss tackles, only to heave it down field so your guy can catch the ball with his helmet isn't a see-it-every-day type of thing. I understand it was 3rd and 4, and they would have had another down, which is why i said it would have made it tougher, not end it.
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If It wasn't for Romo, we'd have been 5-11 this year
Look for now, your not going to get anywhere with Romo > Eli because Eli won the big one. Same went for the Brady > Manning for awhile because Manning hadnt won the big one.
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and he has a ring to show for it, which was thanks to the defense and a miracle catch.

Your logic is amazingly flawed be cause it could be extended to say that Qb bums such as Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, ect. are better than the likes of Marino, Kelly ect.
Umm wrong. You keep ignoring it when I say you know we would have lost without Eli on that last drive. The Tyree catch wasn't the only play. We had to go 80 yards to get that score. Eli made a ton of huge throws in the game. The only INT he threw all postseason last year wasn't even his fault.
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And mr. know it all...what would the Giants record have been without Eli? Since you have that crystal ball in front of you.
So saying you had Kurt Warner........
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And mr. know it all...what would the Giants record have been without Eli? Since you have that crystal ball in front of you.
It's clearly true, The cowboys were horrendous when Romo went down, and were rejuvenated when he came back...

If y'all had even Joe Flacco back there, y'all would be a playoff team...
IF you had Philip Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, you're still in the playoffs
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And mr. know it all...what would the Giants record have been without Eli? Since you have that crystal ball in front of you.
David Carr could have done what Eli Manning did against the Eagles. I wish we had David Carr this year over Brad Johnson. Maybe we would have beat the Rams.
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Umm wrong. You keep ignoring it when I say you know we would have lost without Eli on that last drive. The Tyree catch wasn't the only play. We had to go 80 yards to get that score. Eli made a ton of huge throws in the game. The only INT he threw all postseason last year wasn't even his fault.
I didn't deny that Eli played good, just not great. That's a good drive on his part, cranking the bus into overdrive. But teh defense held that legendary offense, and eli only made it to midfield until the miracle throw...
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Well, thats because you've got 80 year old Brad Johnson as your backup.
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Look for now, your not going to get anywhere with Romo > Eli because Eli won the big one. Same went for the Brady > Manning for awhile because Manning hadnt won the big one.
So, Eli > Marino?
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Kyle Boller is better than both of them. HE is the biggest QB free agent this offseason
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Until Romo wins a ring i wont respect him as a player at all. He crumbles whenever the game has any meaning.
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But his stats! HIS STATS!!!!
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Well, thats because you've got 80 year old Brad Johnson as your backup.
According to y'all , with all that "talent" any ole bum could step in there and blow out everyone or at least be competitive, yet that simply was not teh case. As soon as Romo came back, we were in games again.
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Until Romo wins a ring i wont respect him as a player at all. He crumbles whenever the game has any meaning.
So you didn't respect Peyton until 2 years ago.
you still don't respect Jim kelly?
You still don't respect Marino?

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According to y'all , with all that "talent" any ole bum could step in there and blow out everyone or at least be competitive, yet that simply was not teh case. As soon as Romo came back, we were in games again.
Pitts comes to mind here.......
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I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.
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Well those guys probably won a playoff game or two
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