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Old 01-13-2009, 08:12 PM    (permalink) 
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wouldn't touch him till the 6th...He played against weak competition and struggled at the end of the season, but that's not really as crucial as his learning disability (and from hearing him talk, he's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed) ..He admitted that his learning disability gave him trouble in learning the Ball State playbook...If he has trouble elarning a simple college playbook and offense, then how do y'all think he would fare learning an NFL playbook, something that is as thick as A Harry Potter book, and learning to constantly adjust to NFL defenses that are complicated for QB's without learning disabilities.

He has the physical tools, but this is not a case of someone who can be taught the mental aspects of the game, He simply will never be able to pick up the mental part of the game as he lacks the capacity to.



A Quarterback has to know where everyone is on every play and has to digest that entire playbook, and then adjust on Sundays when the defense throws different looks at him on the fly.How do you think someone with a learning disability will cope when he has to adjust to that Jim Johnson defense and has shoddy protection to do it with....


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Wow is that true about his learning disability>? Hmmm could be a big problem for him. I had him pegged as a 1st day guy but maybe not if this is the case. Can anyone confirm that?
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Wow is that true about his learning disability>? Hmmm could be a big problem for him. I had him pegged as a 1st day guy but maybe not if this is the case. Can anyone confirm that?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...atedavis_N.htm

""I had to work extra hard to learn the playbook," Davis says. "My first year, I was out here playing backyard football, trying to find the open guy."

But his coaches "helped me out a lot and, once I had the playbook down, I knew what everyone was doing and it came a lot easier for me."

Quote from the Article, and that's just Ball State's offense
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I did not read the article, but that quote does not say much. Freshman often times have trouble learning the playbook.
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I did not read the article, but that quote does not say much. Freshman often times have trouble learning the playbook.
No, they usually don't....

It's easy to pick up college offenses, unless you're just an idiot (i.e. Vince Young who had to have it simplified) as they are not anywhere near as complex as the pro playbooks
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Yeah it says in the article... hmm this can't help his draft stock lol.
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No, they usually don't....

It's easy to pick up college offenses, unless you're just an idiot (i.e. Vince Young who had to have it simplified) as they are not anywhere near as complex as the pro playbooks
True freshman often struggle with the playbook. He wasn't a redshirt freshman, he was a true freshman. And he still had a 147 college quarterback efficiency rating as a freshman.

It may be a concern, but that quote is not unusual.
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No, they usually don't....

It's easy to pick up college offenses, unless you're just an idiot (i.e. Vince Young who had to have it simplified) as they are not anywhere near as complex as the pro playbooks
Really? How many freshman do you see putting up numbers? Not everybody can be Sam Bradford.

The learning ability is a legit concern, but saying that most freshman don't have a problem understanding the playbook is awfully presumptuous.
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Really? How many freshman do you see putting up numbers? Not everybody can be Sam Bradford.

The learning ability is a legit concern, but saying that most freshman don't have a problem understanding the playbook is awfully presumptuous.
It was somewhat presumptuous, but a college offense isn't usually that difficult to learn as there are not many different adjustments or factors that go into the calls
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It was somewhat presumptuous, but a college offense isn't usually that difficult to learn as there are not many different adjustments or factors that go into the calls
Why don't we see true freshmen going for big numbers then? It's not that simple.

The point is somewhat redundant considering Nate Davis still performed well as a freshman despite perhaps not having a compressive understanding of the offense.
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Ryan Mallet looked like a complete idiot as a freshman.

Davis looked bad for two games, but some of the games I saw him in before that he looked really good.
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The biggest thing for Davis is going to be height. 6'2/6'1 is going to make a big difference for him with his delivery. Ball State also runs a lot of shotgun. That's another factor...

He looks great when he's on. Dante Love going down seemed to really hurt him.
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It was somewhat presumptuous, but a college offense isn't usually that difficult to learn as there are not many different adjustments or factors that go into the calls
It is certainly much easier to learn than an NFL offense, but I'm guessing college offenses are not exactly simple by any means.
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I'd still take him before Josh Freeman and almost every senior quarterback. Send him to Chicago, its not like we run organized plays anyway.
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I'd still take him before Josh Freeman and almost every senior quarterback. Send him to Chicago, its not like we run organized plays anyway.
Josh Freeman doesn't have a Learning disability and is more physically gifted than Davis.
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So? He doesn't actually look like he can play football despite those 'gifts,' which was pretty important the last time I checked, especially at the quarterback position. I stand by what I said.
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wouldn't touch him till the 6th...He played against weak competition and struggled at the end of the season, but that's not really as crucial as his learning disability (and from hearing him talk, he's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed) ..He admitted that his learning disability gave him trouble in learning the Ball State playbook...If he has trouble elarning a simple college playbook and offense, then how do y'all think he would fare learning an NFL playbook, something that is as thick as A Harry Potter book, and learning to constantly adjust to NFL defenses that are complicated for QB's without learning disabilities.

He has the physical tools, but this is not a case of someone who can be taught the mental aspects of the game, He simply will never be able to pick up the mental part of the game as he lacks the capacity to.



A Quarterback has to know where everyone is on every play and has to digest that entire playbook, and then adjust on Sundays when the defense throws different looks at him on the fly.How do you think someone with a learning disability will cope when he has to adjust to that Jim Johnson defense and has shoddy protection to do it with....


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Isn't wrong to question the mental capacity of someone you never met. I admit I overated Davis earlier in the year but he is still a 3rd rounder in my mind with the only Senior I would take over him is Bomar.
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Everyone and their mother has a 'learning disability' these days...
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Are you questioning the validity of the ADD diagnosis I got so i could a prescription for amphetamines?...
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Isn't wrong to question the mental capacity of someone you never met. I admit I overated Davis earlier in the year but he is still a 3rd rounder in my mind with the only Senior I would take over him is Bomar.
No..It's not, when he admitted to having a learning disability, and you can tell when he speaks
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I'm sure if Mike Vick and Vince young can learn an offense, Davis won't have a problem. Heck I think Terry Bradshaw even had a learning disability and he had a nice little career with Pittsburgh.
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I'm sure if Mike Vick and Vince young can learn an offense, Davis won't have a problem. Heck I think Terry Bradshaw even had a learning disability and he had a nice little career with Pittsburgh.
VY hasn't really grasped the offense, And Terry Bradshaw played in an era where the offenses were nowhere near as complicated
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VY hasn't really grasped the offense, And Terry Bradshaw played in an era where the offenses were nowhere near as complicated

So are you pretty much gonna take everything everyone one says and shut it down? Or did you actually wanna hear what people thought?
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