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Old 01-17-2009, 02:05 AM    (permalink
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Couldn't Carolina franchise him and trade him still?
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No, because they are chickens!

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I really don't think anyone is going to look at him as a OLB (referring to the OP's post).

You know what might be intriguing? I don't think Carolina lets him get away without getting something (thus, the franchise and trade route). I'm not sure if they have the cap room ... but the Texans could use another pass rusher. A DL of Mario Williams, Amobi Okoye, DelJuan Robinson, and Julius Peppers could be nasty. I'm also curious about Buffalo as an idea, although, again, haven't checked cap situations. Their defense struggled without Schobel and Kelsay's price goes up after this year. I think the Lions/Redskins/Packers would all ponder it (again, not knowing their cap situations doesn't help me right now).
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Buffalo is too ******' cheap to pull anything off. I know Bills fans like to dispute it, and being one I do to, but I'm smart enough to know Ralph isn't going to pay out his ass and give someone the size of contract Peppers is going to get.
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How much do the Seahawks have under the cap?
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:39 AM    (permalink
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They've got a Patrick Kerney, Darryl Tapp and Lawrence Jackson under the cap :P

Unless one of those guys leaves I doubt they invest more there.
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Man, it would be cool to see him in Atlanta going up against Carolina twice a year. Abraham/Peppers is a scary thought. I think we'd be much more in the Haynesworth market however...
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Get real, Peppers isn't going anywhere. He's probably pissed that Carolina is going to franchise him and wants a shot on the open market which he isn't going to get. It will sure help Gross in his negotiations as they cannot franchise both.
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Buffalo is too ******' cheap to pull anything off. I know Bills fans like to dispute it, and being one I do to, but I'm smart enough to know Ralph isn't going to pay out his ass and give someone the size of contract Peppers is going to get.
You're probably right, but every Bills fans are disgraced about the team right now. Who knows if they become a serious contender just to win the fans back.
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Couldn't Carolina franchise him and trade him still?
If they tag him for 17 million and can't trade him for what ever reason that is a pretty big cap hit that being said I have no idea where they are cap wise?
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Not too sure how cap space is for both teams is but Houston and Green Bay strike me as likely bidders if he actually hits FA
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Is 17MM the franchise number for DE?
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http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/10/satu...hape-for-2009/

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I don't see how it's possible for them to pay Peppers 17 million without cutting Delhomme.
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he wants to go to a 3-4

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Ravens should franchise Suggs, trade to ARZ for Boldin, sign Peppers to replace him.

That would be ******* sweet. Too bad it won't happen.
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lol, he'd be a complete disaster as an OLB in the 3-4.
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I think he'd be a good backup for osi and tuck. If Toomer retires and ward walks we'll have the room for him although I don't see j reese making that move. Haynesworth, gross or a trade for Quan I could see maybe happening.
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. We will probably draft depth, once Osi coms back, and now Kiwi gets moved. Signing Peppers for us, would be probably be the dumbest thing ever!
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You guys should leave Kiwi be. He's been moved around too much, and he showed good signs as a pass rusher at DE. Keep Kiwi at DE and draft Sintim in the first to be the SAM.
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Trade Suggs to Arizona for Anquan Boldin, then sign Peppers. = Ravens win Super Bowl
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hmmm, some sort of Cassell/Peppers trade?
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I would done that. I hated the Kiwi pick. We didn't need him at that point. Now we messed with his developing so much, if I was him, I wouldn't re-sign. Just leave him at DE, is my opinion. Moving him once again would be assinine! What a waste of a player's development.
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Is 17MM the franchise number for DE?
It isn't, actually. The franchise tag pays whichever is greatest between either the average of the Top 5 salaries at that position or 120% of last year's salary. Normally it's the Top 5 average, but for Peppers, he was paid ~14M in '08 so the 120% pays him more. Thus, ~17M for '09 if they franchise tag him.
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I would done that. I hated the Kiwi pick. We didn't need him at that point. Now we messed with his developing so much, if I was him, I wouldn't re-sign. Just leave him at DE, is my opinion. Moving him once again would be assinine! What a waste of a player's development.
BUT, he was making major strides at OLB last year before his injury and if you saw this year was a VERY slim DE due to him cutting weight to be a LB. He was also hurt. I love Kiwi and the Giants need to pick a position for him this offseason and keep him there.
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BUT, he was making major strides at OLB last year before his injury and if you saw this year was a VERY slim DE due to him cutting weight to be a LB. He was also hurt. I love Kiwi and the Giants need to pick a position for him this offseason and keep him there.
Yeah he was, and then we put him to DE, and he is making strides, now what? Move him back again? Meanwhile the player's shelf life in the NFL is ticking away and we have yet to settle on a position to maximize his talent.

Again, I never liked the pick. I wanted a LB, and Ryans on the board! Also, I wouldn't have mind mangold either before we traded with Pittsburgh. Never liked the pick, and fact we haven't developed him is a sin, in it's own right.
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