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Old 01-26-2009, 11:43 AM    (permalink
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He's a mountain of a man. I think he can shed 15 pounds though, get lighter on his feet. That belly is a little too big.

He's developing quite nicely though. He'll be a beast in no time.
o yea, having JO and now Anderson w/ him are helping him a ton.



I was also glad you had JJ on there. Granted sometimes he needs to show some self control but his intensity and work ethic are on par w/ Ray Lewis. He is a great over achiever making the most of his sub par athletic ability.
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I think Leon Washington would tear it up as a starter. At least give the guy 12 carries a game. I had it between him and Norwood.

Its difficult naming a fulltime starter RB as underrated in today's era of fantasy football.
Fantasy football has ruined the way players are valued and I see it only getting worse over the next 5-10 years.
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yay no bear! maybe Alex Brown a lil
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Fantasy football has ruined the way players are valued and I see it only getting worse over the next 5-10 years.
The only thing it's good for is keeping good players under the radar who don't but up huge stats so your team has a chance at them.
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Jahri is the RG though. I do agree, I like Nicks a lot too, but Jahri Evans gets no pub, and he's a stud.

Funny how our line is, two GREAT players(Brown and Evans), 1 solid guy(Nicks), and two atrocious guys that pretty much nullify the wonderfulness of the rest(Stinch, Goodwin).

jep but i see strief getting playingtime next season and i like it.
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Honestly, you could name any Broncos starting OL except for Ben Hamilton. Casey Weigmann played like a fricken stud this year, that was a steal of a FA signing. Chris Kuper was solid at OG, Ryan Harris played solid at RT.
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Jahri is the RG though. I do agree, I like Nicks a lot too, but Jahri Evans gets no pub, and he's a stud.

Funny how our line is, two GREAT players(Brown and Evans), 1 solid guy(Nicks), and two atrocious guys that pretty much nullify the wonderfulness of the rest(Stinch, Goodwin).
hmmm. was Evans hurt at any point in the season? bc i remember seeing Nicks at RG and coming away impressed by him.

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Chris Hope>Quintin Mikell and is underrated as well. I don't think Darnell Dockett is underrated either.
Hope's deficiencies were masked by Michael Griffin. On the other hand, Mikell masked Dawkin's inabilities. Mikell > Hope. And Dockett in my eyes should be seen in the same light as guys like Kevin Williams but he's not.

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o yea, having JO and now Anderson w/ him are helping him a ton.



I was also glad you had JJ on there. Granted sometimes he needs to show some self control but his intensity and work ethic are on par w/ Ray Lewis. He is a great over achiever making the most of his sub par athletic ability.
It was hard naming rushbackers bc they generally get pub for great play. Johnston and Pace kind of won this by default bc theyre very solid players who go unrecognized. Their contributions to their defenses outweigh the raw stats tied to their names.

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Fantasy football has ruined the way players are valued and I see it only getting worse over the next 5-10 years.
I agree completely. Fantasy football has impacted our perception of good players in a negative way. Its a shame.
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Glad to see Griffin and Stewart on there even though I've noticed Stewart has been getting more love on these boards in the past year or so. One other Titan that could be put on here is Ahmard Hall. A case could've probably been made for Bo Scaife as well if he hadn't faded at the end of the season.
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hmmm. was Evans hurt at any point in the season? bc i remember seeing Nicks at RG and coming away impressed by him.



Hope's deficiencies were masked by Michael Griffin. On the other hand, Mikell masked Dawkin's inabilities. Mikell > Hope. And Dockett in my eyes should be seen in the same light as guys like Kevin Williams but he's not.



It was hard naming rushbackers bc they generally get pub for great play. Johnston and Pace kind of won this by default bc theyre very solid players who go unrecognized. Their contributions to their defenses outweigh the raw stats tied to their names.



I agree completely. Fantasy football has impacted our perception of good players in a negative way. Its a shame.
evans hasnt been hurt but he has played bits of left guard with nicks at right but in general it has been the other way around
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I think Leon Washington would tear it up as a starter. At least give the guy 12 carries a game. I had it between him and Norwood.

Its difficult naming a fulltime starter RB as underrated in today's era of fantasy football.
Nice of you to acknowledge Jerious Norwood, but he is nothing but a number 2. He constantly has durability issues with his small frame and his running style is a bit violent for a guy his size. When he is on the field and given the ball though, he is very dangerous. Good RB out of the backfield as well. I hope we have more designed plays for him in this year, which might be his last? But as a back up RB, he is definitely one of the best. There might have been a more deserving RB candidate out there.

Great job with Justin Blalock. He had a very average, maybe even disappointing, rookie year. The transition shouldn't have been hard in my opinion, but I guess he was changing from OT to OG and that took him a while. This year though, he was playing at a Pro Bowl level throughout the year. The fact that he is amazing at recovering fumbles (Matt Ryan runs for 8 yards and fumbles the ball against the Bucs in OT. There are Bucs all around it, but somehow Blalock comes up with it. Matt Ryan runs for 10 yards and tries to jump into the endzone (wtf) and loses the ball on the way up. The ball is in the endzone and around Viking defenders and Blalock somehow comes up with it) is an added plus. I don't know if we would have made the playoffs without those FRs. Blalock was pegged to be a perennial Pro Bowler/ All-Pro and though he may be a bit slow on that route right now, I think he is on his way.
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Hit the nail on the head with the two Bengals you suggested. Peko and Hall both came into their own in a big way this year. Leon was basically our number 1 CB for most of the season with Jonathan Joseph being injured and he really played well. Peko has progressed each season and he was pretty dominant at some points this year. Pat Sims coming in and contributing really helped him out a lot as John Thornton is just not very good. We even used Peko at fullback during goal line situations.
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CHris Hope was a damn pro-bowler last year... I wouldn't really call that underrated.
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I think Leon Washington would tear it up as a starter. At least give the guy 12 carries a game. I had it between him and Norwood.
Jerious is the man. I wish he was more durable though. I think it's pretty amazing that this was his first year under 6.0 YPC... it was 5.1 this year.

And good work on having Justin Blalock on this list. The man was just not good in year number 1, but was very impressive this year. Hopefully he starts to get more attention, because this is a no-doubt Pro Bowl player. I was ecstatic to snag him in Round 2, and this year was a massive step towards him becoming the elite guard everyone thought he'd be.
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I think Nick Collins deserves a little love here. He may not have been AS underrated as some of these other guys but there wasn't much said about him in the media. I'm not sure what you guys think of the guy but he was beat out by Brian Dawkins of all people for first team all pro. He should have been a lock. He did get 2nd team but with the year he had, I think thats underrating him.
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Leon is a little underatted but not to much I think Cotch is more underrated than him. Cotch is a beast and people dont talk about him at all.
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Seriously? Mikell & Griffin over Jackson & Phillips? London Fletcher (been to a # of pro bowls) over Ruud?

Donald Penn, Antonio Bryant and BJ Askew are also possibilities. Gaither didn't impress me in the playoffs, Bryant>>>Camarillo & 90% of FBs are underrated so IDC about Evans/Askew.

This is a draft site, and you have a lot of former 1st round picks on your lists. Jackson & Phillips were 4th rounders, Penn was an UDFA, Bryant wasn't playing football last year and Askew was an UDFA as well (I think).
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At first, I thought that this must be a really underrated group, because I didn't even know who Brandon Liber was.
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Seriously? Mikell & Griffin over Jackson & Phillips? London Fletcher (been to a # of pro bowls) over Ruud?

Donald Penn, Antonio Bryant and BJ Askew are also possibilities. Gaither didn't impress me in the playoffs, Bryant>>>Camarillo & 90% of FBs are underrated so IDC about Evans/Askew.

This is a draft site, and you have a lot of former 1st round picks on your lists. Jackson & Phillips were 4th rounders, Penn was an UDFA, Bryant wasn't playing football last year and Askew was an UDFA as well (I think).
London Fletcher has never made a Pro Bowl
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London Fletcher has never made a Pro Bowl
WTF????

That changes things, but the media has been mentioning him as a top LB and Pro Bowl snub for the past 5 years. Ruud is a better LB and gets no pub. Same with Jon Beason.
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Doesn't Timmons play OLB in the Steelers 3-4? And while I'm a big fan and think he played alot better this year, hasn't he been more of a disapointment as Lamar Woodley was drafted behind him and starts in front of him.
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Zach Miller was our offensive MVP this year. This guy is gonna be a stud once we get a decent oline so he doesnt have to block as much
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Doesn't Timmons play OLB in the Steelers 3-4? And while I'm a big fan and think he played alot better this year, hasn't he been more of a disapointment as Lamar Woodley was drafted behind him and starts in front of him.
Woodley and Harrison OLB
Farrior and Timmons ILB
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Seriously? Mikell & Griffin over Jackson & Phillips? London Fletcher (been to a # of pro bowls) over Ruud?

Donald Penn, Antonio Bryant and BJ Askew are also possibilities. Gaither didn't impress me in the playoffs, Bryant>>>Camarillo & 90% of FBs are underrated so IDC about Evans/Askew.

This is a draft site, and you have a lot of former 1st round picks on your lists. Jackson & Phillips were 4th rounders, Penn was an UDFA, Bryant wasn't playing football last year and Askew was an UDFA as well (I think).

Believe it or not, this was not an Underrated Bucs list.
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