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Old 01-27-2009, 11:29 AM    (permalink
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Russell, JaMarcus TDS 13 INT 8 YDS 2,423 RTG 77.1

Flacco, Joe TDS 14 INT 12 YDS 2,971 RTG 80.3

Russell has had 3 playcallers this season. A 7th round pick at #1 WR. KWame Harris at LT. And McFadden was hurt all year.

Flacco has Derrick MAson a potential HOF #1 still playing great. And M.Clayton a solid #2. He also had one of the better run games in the NFL and a great D.

I feel that everyone kills Russell when he has gotten better and better as he has played(with no help.) Why does everyone bash this guy it really gets on my nerves. He is younger than Flacco and Ryan and came out raw as a jr. He is making good progress in an impossible situation(Oakland/Al Davis.) As a guy who watches Raiders game someone wanna discuss with me why Russell is punked by everyone who isnt a Raiders fan?

Madden even dropped JaMarcus down behind most back-ups in the game? WTF haha
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Flacco's playoff #'s

Games 3 33/75 44 comp% 437 Yrds 5.8 Av. 1 TD 3 INts

I like both of these young QB's but its funny one gets bashed in b/c he is in Oakland the other is the savior of B-More.

Ill give you JaMarcus isnt a rookie but his hold out and age/starts basically make this a good comparison.
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Flacco has Derrick MAson a potential HOF #1 still playing great. And M.Clayton a solid #2. He also had one of the better run games in the NFL and a great D.
HOF better stand for something other than Hall of Fame. Hands on Fire? Huge Odor Frequency?

The jury is still out on both. A lot of people fell in love with Flacco this year. He did ok considering he is a rookie QB and that Pittsburgh defense definitely proved he was a rookie. Its an interesting stat comparision though; I didnt think they were that close because like you said Russell gets bashed and Flacco receives praise.

Russell getting bashed probably has something to do with him being a #1 overall pick and not being able to turn miracles in Oakland in his first year under center.

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I do feel that Joe Flacco is increddibly overrated and probably will come crashing down to Earth sometime next season, but JaMarcus Russell is also pretty bad as well. I would seriously take Tyler Thigpen over both of them.
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Man, I'm a fan of Russell... Russell > Flacco... Only if the Raiders had a decent team
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I do feel that Joe Flacco is increddibly overrated and probably will come crashing down to Earth sometime next season, but JaMarcus Russell is also pretty bad as well. I would seriously take Tyler Thigpen over both of them.
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I do feel that Joe Flacco is increddibly overrated and probably will come crashing down to Earth sometime next season, but JaMarcus Russell is also pretty bad as well. I would seriously take Tyler Thigpen over both of them.
Here's the thing though.

Try putting each of these players in each others shoes.

All of them would look down right turrible in Oakland. Flacco doesn't look horrible. More like Kyle Orton during the bears in 2005, only a little smarter and more trusting coaches. He just didn't lose the game and occasionally made plays that won it. Thigs has some weapons on the outside, but i think you plug any of these QB's into any other team and you'd probably get the same result. They're all products of their environment.
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Here's the thing though.

Try putting each of these players in each others shoes.

All of them would look down right turrible in Oakland. Flacco doesn't look horrible. More like Kyle Orton during the bears in 2005, only a little smarter and more trusting coaches. He just didn't lose the game and occasionally made plays that won it.
Yeah, but I still feel Flacco didn't go as far as Big Ben in 2005 by being a game manager. I just feel that Flacco got lucky a lot last season and he will come back down to Earth next year. Then again, he plays the AFC West and the NFC North, so he might look Godly.
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I like Russell. He'll succeed, he just needs time and for the Raiders as a whole to develop.
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Both are doing better then I expected. I thought RUssell would be a major bust. Flacco is still very raw so we will see how he does.
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Both are doing better then I expected. I thought RUssell would be a major bust. Flacco is still very raw so we will see how he does.
For what Russell has at his disposal and how he played this season i'd hardly call him a bust...It's his second year.
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Flacco is highly overrated. He just has a great defense, great O-Line, and a great coaching staff (or had one, at least). Russell... well, with McFadden hurt, had realistically Zach Miller and Nnamdi. If Russell gets a better support system, he'll definitely be the better pro. But who knows. Flacco might turn it up next year, though I wouldn't bet on it.
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overrated? hes a rookie who has made some great plays in his rookie year, what else do expect from, hes made plays with not a lot of talent and still get called overrated..
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The jury is still out on both. A lot of people fell in love with Flacco this year. He did ok considering he is a rookie QB and that Pittsburgh defense definitely proved he was a rookie. Its an interesting stat comparision though; I didnt think they were that close because like you said Russell gets bashed and Flacco receives praise.

Russell getting bashed probably has something to do with him being a #1 overall pick and not being able to turn miracles in Oakland in his first year under center.
You may be right about Mason. But he has some pretty sick #'s and is still playing very well. He is Flacco's clear #1 target and could still play for a few more productive years. He has 790 catches 10,000+ yards. and 52 TD's. Maybe not hall of fame but he might get to 1,000, 1200 and 65 not to mention he has alot of return yards. I guess i thought his TD #'s were close to 100.
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Anybody who claims that a rookie QB is overrated is absurd. You can count on 1 hand the number of Rookie QB's who looked good in their rookie year including most of the HOF QB's. In 2 or 3 years when Flacco matures, he will be a very solid franchise type QB, no he's not there yet but anybody with eyes can see the potential down the road. He's got the arm and the toughness to only get better.
As for Russell, it is also his 1st year as a starter after coming out as a junior. He is only going to get better and better and probably has a higher ceiling than Flacco and maybe even Ryan. His stats are actually pretty impressive for a 1st year starter, especially one who entered the NFL as a junior.
Both of these QB's have a very bright future if their health is good and they mature with experience. Of the 2, Flacco had by far the easier route to success but in the end Russell has the talent to pass him if Oakland ever gets their act together.
We won't know for 2 or 3 years which one will have a bigger career. remember Eli broke out in his 4th season.
I find it a bit ridiculous that people even think they can judge any rookie on his 1st year in the league. Every rookie enters the league under different circumstances and those who get to play early usually appear to have the greatest impact while contending teams may sit their rookies for half a season before allowing them to start. It doesn't make the early starters better in the long run. Drafts are judged usually in 5 year periods because those who look good in year one can fade while others take off in their 2nd or 3rd season.
Jerry Rice was disappointing in his rookie year, it certainly didn't stop him from getting to the HOF.
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Anybody who claims that a rookie QB is overrated is absurd. You can count on 1 hand the number of Rookie QB's who looked good in their rookie year including most of the HOF QB's. In 2 or 3 years when Flacco matures, he will be a very solid franchise type QB, no he's not there yet but anybody with eyes can see the potential down the road. He's got the arm and the toughness to only get better.
As for Russell, it is also his 1st year as a starter after coming out as a junior. He is only going to get better and better and probably has a higher ceiling than Flacco and maybe even Ryan. His stats are actually pretty impressive for a 1st year starter, especially one who entered the NFL as a junior.
Both of these QB's have a very bright future if their health is good and they mature with experience. Of the 2, Flacco had by far the easier route to success but in the end Russell has the talent to pass him if Oakland ever gets their act together.
We won't know for 2 or 3 years which one will have a bigger career. remember Eli broke out in his 4th season.
I find it a bit ridiculous that people even think they can judge any rookie on his 1st year in the league. Every rookie enters the league under different circumstances and those who get to play early usually appear to have the greatest impact while contending teams may sit their rookies for half a season before allowing them to start. It doesn't make the early starters better in the long run. Drafts are judged usually in 5 year periods because those who look good in year one can fade while others take off in their 2nd or 3rd season.
Jerry Rice was disappointing in his rookie year, it certainly didn't stop him from getting to the HOF.
^_^ But yeah I agree with you. You can't really judge a player in their first or second season, especially quarterbacks.
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Flacco has a helluva lot better chance of succeeding simply because of the fact that Russell is in Oakland.

That organization is a black hole for talent (pun intended)

And if they don't get that man a new offensive coordinator and some help on the Oline and at WR, he has no chance at succeeding no matter how great that arm strength of his and his ability to show touch develops.
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That pretty much sums up my thoughts, people calling Flacco overrated what the hell were you expecting? He certainly made some huge plays this year, and that throw vs Tennessee may very well of won the game for them...He's not going to come in as a rookie and carry the team on his back, but he certainly showed some flashes of brilliance and I think the playoff experience is only going to help him down the line.
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I honestly wasn't all that impressed with Flacco this year. I was much more impressed with Ryan and what he did. Flacco got by with some very suspect play because of that defense.

Like against the Titans, the man literally made 3 nice throws and it was enough to win that playoff game.

Im not saying he can't be great, his growth this year shocked me because i felt he needed to sit and learn, but his play this year wasn't all that impressive.
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I was more impressed with what Colt Brennan did in the preseason than what Flacco did in the regular season and playoffs.
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I was more impressed with what Colt Brennan did in the preseason than what Flacco did in the regular season and playoffs.
calm down big guy. let's not get ahead of ourselves lol.
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