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Jeff George was GIFTED. How often does a gifted Qb actually succeed? Elway. . .ummm who'm else?
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Jeff George was GIFTED. How often does a gifted Qb actually succeed? Elway. . .ummm who'm else?
Lol this was the first name i thought of after someone brought up Ryan Leaf..
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Gotta love the Vikings though.
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vick is probably one of the most talented players to ever play in the nfl so i don't really like this debate.

they are 2 completely different players so its hard to judge that
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Even if you take away Mike Vick's arm strength, how many guys have been as fast and as elusive as he was at 6'1 215? That's pretty thick when you compare it to the few guys who are as dangerous in the open field as Mike was.

Then you add on the arm...
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I'm pretty sure that Vick was more like 6' and 200.

If you are talking physical talents, QB specific, then that absence of height is a significant physical limitation. It is doubtless part of the reason why Vick was so quick to abandon the pocket - he couldn't see anyone open.
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Even if you take away Mike Vick's arm strength, how many guys have been as fast and as elusive as he was at 6'1 215? That's pretty thick when you compare it to the few guys who are as dangerous in the open field as Mike was.

Then you add on the arm...
Then you add on the complete inability to read defenses and a penchant for running at the first sign of trouble...tendency to throw a fast but flat and inaccurate ball.

Vick was a bad QB. He could do things QBs can't do...like run but couldn't do things that a QB has to do to be considered a QB. He sucked, unfortunately. But he could scramble really well.
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How about Tom Brady as most phsyically gifted. Slow afoot and 5.0 second 40 time. 6'5" 215 as a rookie.

Physically gifted and great QB aren't even close to synonymous.
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Gotta give some props to Randall Cunningham

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You don't get anymore physically talented the Mike Vick.
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Vick by a mile.
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Then you add on the complete inability to read defenses and a penchant for running at the first sign of trouble...tendency to throw a fast but flat and inaccurate ball.

Vick was a bad QB. He could do things QBs can't do...like run but couldn't do things that a QB has to do to be considered a QB. He sucked, unfortunately. But he could scramble really well.
Eh yeah. Pretty fair assessment. His last season was pretty good with us though. He may not have done things traditionally, but he made plays. A YPC of 8.6? He gave us nearly a first down everytime he tucked it. Thats a higher YPA that most QBs.

It would have been nice if he could have learned to read defenses and put more touch on his ball. To think that a QB can learn to do that with just time and effort is what upsets me though. What a wasted talent.
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How about guys that are so physically gifted that they had to switch to WR? There's many of them.
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How about Tom Brady as most phsyically gifted. Slow afoot and 5.0 second 40 time. 6'5" 215 as a rookie.

Physically gifted and great QB aren't even close to synonymous.
no ond said they were. . .
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Elway easily. Vick had more pure talent probably than any player in the history of the NFL. Vick could run like no other and throw the ball deep but he isnt a good QB. So its hard for me to say Vick is a more physically talented QB than Elway when Vick is so up and down throwing the football.

If you said Vick vs. anybody else in NFL History and the question was who had the most ability to make plays with either his arm or legs I would of said Vick. It doesnt matter how much speed or how much ability you have to throw the football deep if you cant hit the targets. Jeff George was the greatest long ball QB in the history of the NFL but he couldnt throw a 10 yard pass on the money to save his life.

Some people might respond and say I am wrong b/c my response doesnt make sense with what the OP asked but its hard for me to put "physically talented" and "QB" together when discussing Michael Vick. You cant be the most physically talented QB if you can put the ball on the money like others. His arm was as weak at times accuracy wise as his legs were insane.
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I don't think Mike Vick's accuracy was a problem as much as his ability to read defenses and go through all of his progressions quickly(or at all).
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Anyone who dosent say Vick is not reading the question, physically Michael Vick is without a doubt the most dominant QB ever, he however was not able to put the mental game together and never became a great QB...just because he was not successfull does not in any way change that fact...Vernon Davis has struggled so far in his career but he is probably the most physically gifted Tight End to ever play in the leauge.
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vick was better physically gifted.. he ran a 4.3 and could chuck the ball 80 yards. those are physcial gifts like none other.
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Fran Tarkenton FTW!
Haha, he was like 4 feet tall..

I know the thread is about Vick and Elway, but my vote is for Otto Graham. He dont run a 4.3 but who did back then? And im speaking in comparison to other QB's of his time.
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Well, scouts and GM's obviously thought John Elway was the most talented QB by a wide margin. Elway got a perfect '10' in his scouting report when he was drafted and I'm pretty sure he is the only QB to ever get that high a rating. Vick was physically gifted but it didn't include accuracy and last I looked Championship QB's have to be accurate. Among starting pro QB's who earned their living passing the ball, I'd suggest Vick was one of the worse in pro football history. Absolute tremendous runner but QB's aren't paid to run the football, they are paid to pass it.
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Well, scouts and GM's obviously thought John Elway was the most talented QB by a wide margin. Elway got a perfect '10' in his scouting report when he was drafted and I'm pretty sure he is the only QB to ever get that high a rating. Vick was physically gifted but it didn't include accuracy and last I looked Championship QB's have to be accurate. Among starting pro QB's who earned their living passing the ball, I'd suggest Vick was one of the worse in pro football history. Absolute tremendous runner but QB's aren't paid to run the football, they are paid to pass it.
People act as if he was terrible...He wasn't.

He may not have had the accuracy you looked for in championship caliber QBs, or even in upper half of the league. But one of the worst in NFL history? Not at all. He wasn't terribly inaccurate either. His throws had absolutely no touch and he overthrew some throws.

And since when are QBs paid to pass the football? That is like saying that a RB's receiving yards aren't as good as his rushing yards, when in fact they do the same thing. QBs are paid to progress the offense forward. Vick did that just fine. In fact, here are some stats.

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Player A: 3631 total yards, 24 TDs, 16 turnovers.
Player B: 3513 total yards, 22 TDs, 16 turnovers.



Now, I am not trying to say that Michael Vick was a great QB or anything, but he made plays for Falcons.

Okay. I am done with Vick.
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Thank you! I was waiting for someone to do this. Young, then Elway...but we are really splitting hairs with them.

Simply put, Young and Elway are in Canton. Vick isn't even close. If you want to go back further, look at guys like Tarkenton (who could escape a pass rush and get amazing throws off).
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Joe Montana is a FAR better athlete than Vick. He's in Canton, so it must be true.
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Joe Montana is a FAR better athlete than Vick. He's in Canton, so it must be true.
Not what I was getting at, but point taken.

Montana was great for other reasons. Young and Elway made the most of their athletic ability. Vick did not.
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