Donovan McNabb... in the HOF? - Page 2

Bucs_Rule · 02-02-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by msolimani

I think what you'll see the Eagles do this offseason is try and make one final shot with Mcnabb, Dawkins, and the rest of the crew. They still have a good young defense, so the focus has to be on the offensive side of the ball with Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan aging and free agents. They have to get a big physical wr because desean is a very explosive player but a deep threat at best right now. They have the most amount of draft picks this year so they have to get a weapon at either the rb or te/wr postion. I guarantee you if they address the lack of weapons they will make a run(as much as i hate to admit it).

Their biggest problem is short yardage and goaline offense. Until they fix it, it will be very hard to win a SuperBowl. Getting a big reciever for the redzone is a good way to improve that and a better goaline back. They don't have to be that good of all-round players so it can definitly be achievable. With their big line it is surprising that they aren't better.

Mcnab shouldn't get in atm, he's been very good, but not good enough for a HOF.

02-02-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by msolimani

If his career ended today, he's in. He wouldn't be a 1st ballot hall of famer but he is in. There have not been many QB's to come into the league with that amount of consistency for an entire decade. Look at some of his receivers(If you can call them that) that he's had to work with:Freddie(Fred X) Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, Greg Lewis(How is he in the NFL?), James Thrash, Chad Lewis, Kevin Curtis, etc, etc.

It's an absolute joke that the Eagles don't realize that for the past 9 years or so they've been a legitimate WR away from potentially winning a super bowl. The one time they went out and got him one(T.O.) they made a great run together but things didn't work out. So what do they do, go out and draft/sign a bunch of #3 wr's Reggie Brown, Kevin Curtis, and Desean jackson. If he doesn't make the H.O.F. the eagles are directly to blame.

So true...he has had to carry this team for a decade and is doing as good a job as anyone can. He has had not one reliable receiver in his tenure (aside from one season of well-behaved Owens). Hell, he had to lean on Brent F'n Celek in the NFC Title game!

I HATE the Eagles more than any team, but if this guy can keep putting up numbers, he gets in. If he eventually goes to a team like Minnesota or Chicago, which is a QB away from making lots of noise, that will likely define his legacy. Win a title, and you are in. Fail somewhere else and you are not. If his career ended today, he is the ultimate borderline candidate.

Boston · 02-02-2009, 07:02 PM

Ha...good one.

msolimani · 02-02-2009, 07:05 PM

Couldn't agree more, and I'd actually like to see him go somewhere like Minnesota, Chicago, or even the J-E-T-S!!! That way I can root for him and the Eagles and their ungrateful fans can see what they had, and what they're stuck with(Kolb).

tjsunstein · 02-02-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by msolimani

I think what you'll see the Eagles do this offseason is try and make one final shot with Mcnabb, Dawkins, and the rest of the crew. They still have a good young defense, so the focus has to be on the offensive side of the ball with Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan aging and free agents. They have to get a big physical wr because desean is a very explosive player but a deep threat at best right now. They have the most amount of draft picks this year so they have to get a weapon at either the rb or te/wr postion. I guarantee you if they address the lack of weapons they will make a run(as much as i hate to admit it).

Brent Celek was their most reliable receiving threat in the playoffs with 19 catches. What does that say? I think they should draft the best value at LT on the board and if there isnt any then Moreno/Wells and grab Pettigrew if hes still available. I cant see them adding another WR honestly, atleast early. Maybe a possesion guy in the later rounds. Someone like Aaron Kelly from Clemson.

steelersfan43 · 02-02-2009, 07:11 PM

No way. (10 characters)

msolimani · 02-02-2009, 07:18 PM

Thanks for your deep insight and factual assistance steelersfan. Why don't you just enjoy the 2nd super bowl handcrafted for you by the NFL referees.

TACKLE · 02-02-2009, 07:57 PM

No. Definitely Not.

McNabb was never an elite player at his position. There were always a couple QB's who were better than him. He was a very good player for a long time but he is not one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game the football and that's what it should take to get in the Hall.

tjsunstein · 02-02-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

No. Definitely Not.

McNabb was never an elite player at his position. There were always a couple QB's who were better than him. He was a very good player for a long time but he is not one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game the football and that's what it should take to get in the Hall.

Who were the guys that were always better than him in his career, thus far? Remember, his career is not over.

Tom Brady? HOFer
Peyton Manning? HOFer
Brett Favre? HOFer

Am I missing others that were consistently better year in and year out?

Rayray52 · 02-02-2009, 11:05 PM

............fail

giantsfan · 02-02-2009, 11:10 PM

I'm sorry but Jimmy Johnson has carried the eagles not Donovan McNabb. The Eagles have consistently had great defenses and elite olines throughout his tenure, sure he never had a stud WR, but he had a great defense covering his ass, an elite oline keeping his jersey clean and they've always ran the ball well, even when they stopped running the ball.

TACKLE · 02-02-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein

Who were the guys that were always better than him in his career, thus far? Remember, his career is not over.

Tom Brady? HOFer
Peyton Manning? HOFer
Brett Favre? HOFer

Am I missing others that were consistently better year in and year out?

I know by putting consistently in there your trying to take Kurt Warner and Drew Brees out of the picture but not starting QB has been more consistently injured than McNabb. He hasn't finished 4 season because of injury. Don't forget, Kevin Kolb was picked to be the successor for a quarterback who is injury-prone and inconsistent. Don't forget, McNabb was benched this year.

Phil Simms should be in the Hall ahead of McNabb. Simms has around 3000 more yards, 5 more TD's and a Super Bowl MVP. Now I'm not saying Phil Simms is a HOFer, but neither is McNabb. I'm not saying McNabb isn't a good QB. Donovan is a very good QB who has lead his team to great playoff successes, he's just not an elite QB in the history of the NFL. I see a guy like Cris Carter not get into the Hall on his first two times and it really makes me question how someone like Donovan McNabb would get in.

BuddyCHRIST · 02-02-2009, 11:36 PM

I say yes, especially considering some of the other people that are in. He's been one of the best QB's in the league for a long time and has never had a ton of help around him. I'm not a huge fan but he's gotten a bad deal his whole career from the fans, media and the way the organization supported him. But also he's been the face of one of the most consistent franchises of the new millenium and has been as much of a face of the league as any player since 2000. Now all that shouldn't reall matter, but it does and having him out of the HOF would kind of neglecting a very important portion of the NFL during this time period.

I can understand why alot of people say no, but the HOF is already a little watered down as it is. And i think he will definitely get in eventually. Regardless if he wins a superbowl.

Saints-Tigers · 02-02-2009, 11:38 PM

Right now, he's basically John Elway before the last two seasons of his career. Except Donovan is better statistically, he just isn't loved by the media like John is.

yourfavestoner · 02-02-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyCHRIST

I say yes, especially considering some of the other people that are in. He's been one of the best QB's in the league for a long time and has never had a ton of help around him. I'm not a huge fan but he's gotten a bad deal his whole career from the fans, media and the way the organization supported him. But also he's been the face of one of the most consistent franchises of the new millenium and has been as much of a face of the league as any player since 2000. Now all that shouldn't reall matter, but it does and having him out of the HOF would kind of neglecting a very important portion of the NFL during this time period.

I can understand why alot of people say no, but the HOF is already a little watered down as it is. And i think he will definitely get in eventually. Regardless if he wins a superbowl.

Exactly, which means watering it down further should be prevented. We have to be careful not to get too awed the stats that quarterbacks and receivers are putting up in the new era.

Rayray52 · 02-03-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Right now, he's basically John Elway before the last two seasons of his career. Except Donovan is better statistically, he just isn't loved by the media like John is.

Thats because Elway had all 5 of his best stastical seasons after he turned 33, he also had nowhere near the supporting cast for much of his career on both sides of the ball so that comparison is a complete joke. If Mcnabb wins 2 super bowls and gets a super bowl MVP then yes hell make the hall......lol at the elway comparison

Saints-Tigers · 02-03-2009, 12:44 AM

Past QB's get so protected it's ridiculous. Before he got on stacked teams, Elway was a guy with mediocre stats that couldn't win the big one, but all of that is forgotten now.

giantsfan · 02-03-2009, 12:46 AM

Elwayz was even goddlier than cutlerz, so let's please not compare Donovan to Elway.

Saints-Tigers · 02-03-2009, 12:47 AM

Nuh uh, Cutler has a stronger arm, ask him.

yourfavestoner · 02-03-2009, 12:52 AM

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Past QB's get so protected it's ridiculous. Before he got on stacked teams, Elway was a guy with mediocre stats that couldn't win the big one, but all of that is forgotten now.

Or you could say that he was the only reason that Denver was relevant and competitive in the 80s and 90s and had a dumbass of a head coach who couldn't get out of his own way (Dan Reeves).

Saints-Tigers · 02-03-2009, 01:07 AM

Or we can say "ZOMG HE CANT WIN THE BIG ONE" when in reality his teams were simply outplayed in the playoffs. I just don't like when we do one for some quarterbacks, and do the other for other quarterbacks.

yourfavestoner · 02-03-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Or we can say "ZOMG HE CANT WIN THE BIG ONE" when in reality his teams were simply outplayed in the playoffs. I just don't like when we do one for some quarterbacks, and do the other for other quarterbacks.

Well, once you have won the big one then you get that monkey off your back. It worked for John. :)

02-03-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by giantsfan

I'm sorry but Jimmy Johnson has carried the eagles not Donovan McNabb. The Eagles have consistently had great defenses and elite olines throughout his tenure, sure he never had a stud WR, but he had a great defense covering his ass, an elite oline keeping his jersey clean and they've always ran the ball well, even when they stopped running the ball.

Who carried who in the NFC Title game? If the Eagles get stops early in the game or late in the game, they play Pittsbugh instead.

I would accept this argument five years ago, though.

Brothgar · 02-03-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Or we can say "ZOMG HE CANT WIN THE BIG ONE" when in reality his teams were simply outplayed in the playoffs. I just don't like when we do one for some quarterbacks, and do the other for other quarterbacks.

Seriously we are going with the "ZOMGZZZZ MCNABBZZZ TEAMZZZZ SUXORS THAT'S WHY HE HASN'T WON TEH SUPABOWLZZZ" argument? Am I saying that Donny Mc is the ONLY reason the Eagles never won the Super Bowl (Although he choked when it was show time against the Pats) but he has had great OLmen he's had great D's before he's had a great WR before still didn't translate to a SB win

Brothgar · 02-03-2009, 07:35 AM

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Who carried who in the NFC Title game? If the Eagles get stops early in the game or late in the game, they play Pittsbugh instead.

I would accept this argument five years ago, though.

Can you name any other big game that Donny Mc carried them through? And the thing is McNabb did carry the Eagles... they didn't win. No team is carried in a loss.