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Can you name any other big game that Donny Mc carried them through? And the thing is McNabb did carry the Eagles... they didn't win. No team is carried in a loss.
I think you know what I am getting at. Neither side has pulled their weight at the same time.

The two knocks on McNabb will always be accuracy issues, as well as not being clutch, by the way. Also, the Elway comparison works if McNabb ever gets a good running game and wins a title. It doesn't work when you are talking about being able to lead a team downfield when they need a score in a tight game. The problem in Super Bowls is that Elway's teams were always overmatched by superior NFC teams.

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Andy Reid and the GM are the biggest reasons the Eagles have never won a title. The GM has to get another RB in their for when their only offensive threat(Westbrook) is injured the majority of every season. I'm no GM but any casual Eagles fan can see they have needed to get a consistent weapon at WR. A one and a half year experiment with T.O. isn't good enough, go out there and address your biggest need for the majority of the Mcnabb era. Don't overestimate consistency either, how many fans if asked would absolutely take the success the Eagles have had since drafting Mcnabb. All the other great QB's have not just one receiving weapon but 2 at least.
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No, he's a had a very good career, but you gotta be something special to get in at QB without rings...Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, etc. I don't think McNabb has reached that level.
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No, he's a had a very good career, but you gotta be something special to get in at QB without rings...Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, etc. I don't think McNabb has reached that level.
If Jim Kelly's in than theres no question Mcnabb will be in when all is said and done. Mcnabb will have better stats than him and could even win an MVP/Superbowl(to justify for the doubters that he is in) because he still has a good 4-5 years in him as a starter. Jim Kelly was a 1st ballot HOF'er so Mcnabb will get in.
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If Jim Kelly's in than theres no question Mcnabb will be in when all is said and done. Mcnabb will have better stats than him and could even win an MVP/Superbowl(to justify for the doubters that he is in) because he still has a good 4-5 years in him as a starter. Jim Kelly was a 1st ballot HOF'er so Mcnabb will get in.
Jim Kelly participated in like four strait Super Bowls if McNabb participated in four total SB's I'd consider him in he needs to win one to receive any consideration.
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Jim Kelly participated in like four strait Super Bowls if McNabb participated in four total SB's I'd consider him in he needs to win one to receive any consideration.
I think if he had a Super Bowl to his name right now he would be a Hall of Famer but if he has 4 more productive years, do you think he gets in? Not everyone needs a ring to get in. Especially with the kind of production McNabb has.
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I think if he had a Super Bowl to his name right now he would be a Hall of Famer but if he has 4 more productive years, do you think he gets in? Not everyone needs a ring to get in. Especially with the kind of production McNabb has.
You'd have to define production. Boarderline probowl / probowl and add a SB appearance another run or two deep in the playoffs. I could give him a vote. But if productive means playing 10 decent games and either falling on his face or getting injured for the other six then I wouldn't put him in. The and the Eagles should just put him in whatever ring of honor or hall of fame they have.
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You'd have to define production. Boarderline probowl / probowl and add a SB appearance another run or two deep in the playoffs. I could give him a vote. But if productive means playing 10 decent games and either falling on his face or getting injured for the other six then I wouldn't put him in. The and the Eagles should just put him in whatever ring of honor or hall of fame they have.
How about 3900 yards, 20+ TDs, and under 15 INTs for the next 4 years? In those four years, the Eagles make it to the playoffs once or twice and only win one postseason game. Does he get the vote? They arent outstanding stats and will be outdone but other QBs in the NFC like Brees, Rodgers, Romo, and Ryan in the coming years so he probably wont make the pro bowl but Id say that is solid production.
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Jim Kelly participated in like four strait Super Bowls if McNabb participated in four total SB's I'd consider him in he needs to win one to receive any consideration.
Well thats just dumb because he hasnt won a superbowl and were obviously in a pretty interesting debate on the topic. So hes obviously getting consideration right now, and its not just us, ESPN has debated this many times as well as local news outlets in the Philadelphia area.
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Well thats just dumb because he hasnt won a superbowl and were obviously in a pretty interesting debate on the topic. So hes obviously getting consideration right now, and its not just us, ESPN has debated this many times as well as local news outlets in the Philadelphia area.
Not stupid at all

How many Hall of fame QB's in the modern era are lacking BOTH a league MVP AND a Super Bowl win (or pre super bowl equivilent) answer 3

Player Super Bowl? MVP?
TROY AIKMAN Yes NO
GEORGE BLANDA Yes NO* (not applicable for the first half of his career)
TERRY BRADSHAW Yes Yes
LEN DAWSON Yes Yes
JOHN ELWAY Yes Yes
OTTO GRAHAM Yes N/A
BOB GRIESE Yes No* (I'm only counting AP MVP he was NEA MVP)
SONNY JURGENSEN No No (May be the best arguement for McNabb)
JIM KELLY No No (went to 4 back to back SB's)
BOBBY LAYNE Yes N/A
DAN MARINO No Yes
JOE MONTANA Yes Yes
WARREN MOON No No (9 time Pro bowl)
JOE NAMATH Yes No
BART STARR Yes Yes
FRAN TARKENTON Yes Yes
Y.A. TITTLE No Yes
NORM VAN BROCKLIN Yes N/A
STEVE YOUNG Yes Yes
EDIT JOHNNY UNITAS Yes Yes
ROGER STAUBACH Yes No?



Donovan McNabb No No
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McNabb's resume:

128 starts
5 Pro Bowls
0 1st-team All-Pro
82-45-1 Reg. Season record as a starter
9-6 Postseason record
1 Super Bowl appearance
194 TD / 90 INT
58.9% Comp%
218.8 yards passing/game
3,109 yards rushing, 26 TD
No MVPs
Never led the NFL in any major passing category in the last 10 years.
Had a legitimate #1 WR for one full season

He comes out missing it...he needs to finish his career strong to get in. Either a massive playoff run, a league MVP, an All-Pro...something...

Edit: nice work with Sonny Jurgensen, by the way. He was a guy believed to be the best QB in his time, yet had zero postseason appearances I think.

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So lets be fair lets look at the 3 QB's without either a SB win or an MVP and compare stats. TD-INT, Yards, QB rating, Super Bowl Appearences and Probowls

Sonny Jurgensen
TD-INT 255-189 Yards 32,224 QB Rating 82.6 SBA 1 PBs 5

Jjim Kelly
TD-INT 237-175 Yards 35,467 QB Rating 84.4 SBA 4 PBs 4

Warren Moon (Was NEA MVP)
TD-INT 291-233 Yards 49,325 QB Rating 80.9 SBA 4 PBA 9


Donovan McNabb
TD-INT 194-90 Passing yards 29,320 QB Rating 85.9 SBA 1 PBs 5



McNabb is short 43 TDs from the least of them notiidly less INTs. Approx 3,000 yards less than the least of them. A better QB ratomg than all of them.

So back to tjsunstein's question 4 more 2000+ yard seasons with 20+ TDs and -15 INTs will put him in the hall after like 20 years of eligibility.
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If McNabb had a great receiver throughout the course of his career, would he be in? Probably so, and that's the problem with looking at it like this.
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If McNabb had a great receiver throughout the course of his career, would he be in? Probably so, and that's the problem with looking at it like this.
How many QBs wouldn't make the hall with a Pro Bowl OLine great RB (Westbrook) and a great D? Along with a great reciever.
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How many QBs wouldn't make the hall with a Pro Bowl OLine great RB (Westbrook) and a great D? Along with a great reciever.
Most QBs would not, and McNabb likely will be in the not.

That's the problem, standards are being held too low. Only 30 QBs are currently in hall of fame. It's reserved for the very best to ever play the game, not very good or even great players.

In McNabb's career the highest he ranked in TDs for a season was third in 2004, other than that the highest was 7th. The highest he's ever ranked in passing yards is 7th. 10th was the highest he ever ranked in completion percentage. Think about that. During his time in the league, he was never even close to being the best QB in the league and was usually around the 6th-10th.

I also feel that consistency and the ability to perform for many years, but even there McNabb isn't too impressive. Only 4 times in his career he has thrown for more than 20 TDs, and only one of those 4 times topped 30. For yards he only topped 3500 twice and never hit the 4000 mark. His career completion percentage not even hitting 60% in an era where that stat has skyrocketed (17 of top 20 in the category are active QBs) doesn't help either.

He needs at least a Super Bowl win to be considered.
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Most QBs would not, and McNabb likely will be in the not.

That's the problem, standards are being held too low. Only 30 QBs are currently in hall of fame. It's reserved for the very best to ever play the game, not very good or even great players.

In McNabb's career the highest he ranked in TDs for a season was third in 2004, other than that the highest was 7th. The highest he's ever ranked in passing yards is 7th. 10th was the highest he ever ranked in completion percentage. Think about that. During his time in the league, he was never even close to being the best QB in the league and was usually around the 6th-10th.

I also feel that consistency and the ability to perform for many years, but even there McNabb isn't too impressive. Only 4 times in his career he has thrown for more than 20 TDs, and only one of those 4 times topped 30. For yards he only topped 3500 twice and never hit the 4000 mark. His career completion percentage not even hitting 60% in an era where that stat has skyrocketed (17 of top 20 in the category are active QBs) doesn't help either.

He needs at least a Super Bowl win to be considered.
I'm right with you I don't think that McNabb is a HOF QB. They are saying "Oh if McNabb had a top WR for his career he'd be a lpck for HOF" well firstly he didn't have a great WR except for one year and he shares the blame for ruining that but that is neither here nor there. My point is that it isn't like McNabb was without any weapons or that he was the only good player on his team quite the opposite was triue he had great players in every facet of the game except WR.


If you can tell me how Sonny Jurgensen made it in the hall I'd like to know that too.
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With only 30 QBs in the hall right now, its weird to think that 3 or 4 guys playing right now could be in the hall. Doesn't that seem like alot for one era, or two if you consider Brady and Manning in one and Warner and Favre in another.

Tom Brady
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Kurt Warner - he has his own thread about this as well.
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With only 30 QBs in the hall right now, its weird to think that 3 or 4 guys playing right now could be in the hall. Doesn't that seem like alot for one era, or two if you consider Brady and Manning in one and Warner and Favre in another.

Tom Brady
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Kurt Warner - he has his own thread about this as well.
I think Big Ben has all but alredy posed for the bust to put him in the hall. I don't think there are many multi superbowl winners to not make it.
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I think he is on the bubble right now. If he wins a championship I think he will get it.
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I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.
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I think Big Ben has all but alredy posed for the bust to put him in the hall. I don't think there are many multi superbowl winners to not make it.
Plunkett...even with a MVP in the '81 SB.

Let's hope Ben doesn't do a "Reverse-Plunkett" and stink it up for the next 10 years.
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No, he's not a Hall of Famer. He hasn't been elite enough to overlook his lack of bling. Did he get a raw deal by never having a decent WR besides Owens? Yes. But Tom Brady made it happen with a similar cast.
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Wow how can this even be a topic of discussion? NO WAY!!!!
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I think if McNabb pulls off a great season (along the lines of 4,000-35-15) then I think the argument for the HOF becomes easier but unless he has another year like 2005 he will be in trouble
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No, McNabb is not a Hall of Famer now, he isn't even a Borderline HOFer right now. If his career were to be ended by injury this upcoming season he shouldn't even garner consideration. I am one of McNabbs biggest supporters, so keep that in mind. If he had won the one Superbowl the Eagles were in he might be considered borderline, but may not have even gotten in if the Eagles would win. Now, over the last 10 years, he is in the top 5 or 6 QBs of the past decade, don't get me wrong. Personally I'd put him 4th, behind Manning, Brady, and Favre. The argument can be made for Big Ben or Kurt Warner, but I would say McNabb has been just a step above them, as a QB. They may have the championships, but if I had to pick between those three, (McNabb, Ben, Warner) I'd pick McNabb. Thats my preference though.

If he continues his production for the next 5 or so years, he will go down as a great NFL QB. But that will be all. If he adds a Superbowl win to that production, than the case can be made for him to get in, however, it will probably still take a few shots until he gets in. If he wins two or more (God I hope so;)) then we are looking at a potential first ballot HOF QB. Without a Championship though, I can't see a way he gets in.

I will argue that McNabb has had some memorable moments throughout his career. (Sorry Packers and Cowboys fans)

4th and 26. That is vivid in my memory, as I'm sure it is in Packers fans as well. If the Eagles would have won the NFC Championship game that year it may be talked about more. But failure to capitalize on opportunities leaves this forgotten a bit.

Donovan had soemthing like a 9 second scramble or something against the Cowboys 5 or 6 years back. The pass was caught 40 yards or so downfield. Maybe not as memorable as 4th and 26, and certainly not as memorable as some other QBs defining moments, but certainly memorable.

Both of those plays were completions to Freddie Mitchell, who is no longer in the league. (He's a substitiute teacher now if I remember correctly)

I can understand arguments both ways, but I figured I'd just put my input in there as well.
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