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Old 04-24-2009, 07:13 PM    (permalink
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I think his dad is a coach at one of the prep schools.
He coaches at Fork Union.
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Nothing is an overstatement. When Terrelle Pryor is eligible for the draft many people will go "oh that's that top recruit that waited to sign with OSU". It helps to have that recognition and past in your favor before you sign your 1st contract.

It's funny that you bring up Willie Williams because we've had a handful of threads asking about him because he was a top recruit and told those stories in the newspaper. He might not be a household name but he obviously has drawn a bit more interest than an average scrub that gets kicked out of 2/3 schools and ends up absolutely nowehere. Like I said...it helps. It's not the whole package, but it's a boost, so why not.
This is the whole smartest kid with down syndrome thing.

The fact that he's got threads on here doesn't help him out more then the average scrubs. It makes him worse then the average scrub. Willie Williams is considered a huge bust. At least scrubs that aren't known will be given a fair shot.
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I don't understand these attention *****'ish recruits....
What's not to understand? They are 17 and people are giving them all the attention. People calling them off the hook asking for quotes, coaches calling them, fans begging on their facebooks...etc etc.

If I was 17 and a big time recruit I would have fun messing around with all the recruiting service sites that calling and try to get on ESPN and milk the attention too. Doesn't hurt to get your name out early.
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What's not to understand? They are 17 and people are giving them all the attention. People calling them off the hook asking for quotes, coaches calling them, fans begging on their facebooks...etc etc.

If I was 17 and a big time recruit I would have fun messing around with all the recruiting service sites that calling and try to get on ESPN and milk the attention too. Doesn't hurt to get your name out early.
I guess It's personality then. Some people just like to play games...
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I guess It's personality then. Some people just like to play games...
Some? Who doesn't like to play games? And it's not like this is serious business anyways- football IS a game...so why not seek attention from the game you play? I see no negatives in it whatsoever from the standpoint of a HS kid.
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Some? Who doesn't like to play games? And it's not like this is serious business anyways- football IS a game...so why not seek attention from the game you play? I see no negatives in it whatsoever from the standpoint of a HS kid.
football is a game
Ncaa college football is a business, go ask joey.
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Willie Williams is an example, but a better one would be Derrick Williams. What has he done other than have a handful of highlights with mediocre numbers, but is pushing to be a first day pick. If you get the name recognition and don't manage to get kicked out of multiple colleges with a rap sheet that's longer than some prisoners, you end up benefiting from the sideshow on recruiting.

Lorenzo Booker is another example, semi mediocre production at FSU, but a top recruit and he gets picked based partly on the name recognition.
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Willie Williams is an example, but a better one would be Derrick Williams. What has he done other than have a handful of highlights with mediocre numbers, but is pushing to be a first day pick. If you get the name recognition and don't manage to get kicked out of multiple colleges with a rap sheet that's longer than some prisoners, you end up benefiting from the sideshow on recruiting.

Lorenzo Booker is another example, semi mediocre production at FSU, but a top recruit and he gets picked based partly on the name recognition.
Very good points.

And those guys signed to schools before internet recruiting really blew up.
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Willie Williams is an example, but a better one would be Derrick Williams. What has he done other than have a handful of highlights with mediocre numbers, but is pushing to be a first day pick. If you get the name recognition and don't manage to get kicked out of multiple colleges with a rap sheet that's longer than some prisoners, you end up benefiting from the sideshow on recruiting.

Lorenzo Booker is another example, semi mediocre production at FSU, but a top recruit and he gets picked based partly on the name recognition.
Booker and Williams aren't getting picked high based on recruiting hype. Thats crazy talk.

They are getting picked high plain and simply because they are fast. Despite all their faults both of them do have alot of natural ability and some big upside. That's why they got picked highly. Not because of HS hype.
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OH LB Scott McVey surprises no one and commits to Ohio State.
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'10 5* PA QB Paul Jones done looking, reaffirmed to PSU. Got to catch Joe's PC as he was in the back of the room during it....even joked and asked for a piece of paper to sign with regard to his intentions.

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'10 MD DE Ego Ferguson never made it, he ended up at Maryland's spring game. Some confusion as to whether or not he had an invite, his coach was supposed to set it up through LJ (DL coach) and apparently Ego didn't get in touch with his coach, and neither got in touch with LJ. Don't have any high hopes with regard to this kid being PSU...at all.
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weirdest athlete in this recruiting class: Jatashun Beachum
275 lbs HS qb running a 4.6/4.7 alledgedly(sp?). Could be the sickest fullback of all time. (not that im buying the 4.7 40)
Dude is a great athlete. He can really move for someone his size. Unfortunately, his HS coach is asking teams to offer schollies to his other less deserving players so they will garner more attention. Basically, you have to pimp out his other kids to get to Jatashun.
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Booker and Williams aren't getting picked high based on recruiting hype. Thats crazy talk.

They are getting picked high plain and simply because they are fast. Despite all their faults both of them do have alot of natural ability and some big upside. That's why they got picked highly. Not because of HS hype.
Nowhere did I say that they're getting picked high because of the recruiting hype they generated.

Of course they have other skills that justify them being picked where they end up getting picked, they were recognized for some sort of athletic ability coming out of high school and they managed to get better in other dimensions.

You yourself said that production is king. These guys (Williams and Booker) didn't really have it, and they managed to have a pretty big name recognition factor based on the recruiting hype.

To deny that it isn't a factor is a little absurd, but its definitely true that the speed they had was probably the major factor.
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Loreno Booker didn't have production at FSU?

Did you watch FSU?

He wasn't a stud by any means but he most certainly produced.
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apparently wvu wont take any qb committments until our oc/qb coach jeff mullen sees them throw the ball in person

that will happen in may

i guess we have a couple that want to commit, but our coaches wont let them until then
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Poggi commited.

All of our graduated seniors besides one are either drafted or signed as a UDFA, solid weekend.
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Poggi commited.

All of our graduated seniors besides one are either drafted or signed as a UDFA, solid weekend.
Poggi also lives with Anthony Ferguson, a DT who reportedly has an offer from Penn State and visited Iowa with Poggi. He could be key in Ferguson's recruitment.
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IIRC Booker had a good offseason with the Senior Bowl and Combine that allowed him to move up in the draft - his status as a HS prospect probably only reaffirmed the idea to take him higher than his play suggested

As for why Derrick Williams went in the 3rd today...well, that's anyone's guess. I certainly don't think many people would be surprised if he fails in Detroit
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Jackson Jeffcoat plans to visit USC, Cal, Stanford, Florida, Georgia and Rutgers this summer.

He has already visited Texas, LSU, and ou

Doesnt plan to commit anytime soon
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I used to think this, too. I used to think about how I would handle the recruiting process. But if I was a superstar football recruit and the likes of USC, Texas, Florida,.....were falling over themselves trying to kiss my ass......not to mention the attention you would receive as a high schooler. It changes you.
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USC has offered Prater...he's blowing up...well I should say he's blowing up more.

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I used to think this, too. I used to think about how I would handle the recruiting process. But if I was a superstar football recruit and the likes of USC, Texas, Florida,.....were falling over themselves trying to kiss my ass......not to mention the attention you would receive as a high schooler. It changes you.
Absolutely. Plus the fact that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for you NOT to use the schools for your benefit because if you are a 5 star guy they will just use you for 3-4 years for their selfish benefits only.
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Absolutely. Plus the fact that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for you NOT to use the schools for your benefit because if you are a 5 star guy they will just use you for 3-4 years for their selfish benefits only.
Agreed because once you put your name on that piece of paper, they own your ass.
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chris dunkley transfers to pahokee
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