The 2010 Recruiting Thread

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

Way to add to the discussion.

Real insightful stuff there.

There's nothing to add. Hollywood completely made something up. Nobody can defend it. Miami fans act like it's a secret code or way of life. It's not. You're just constantly on the defensive about possibly losing someone from your backyard and so you make up stupid things like weather and population figures without knowing anything about the personality of the kid at all.

There ya go, end o' debate.

[BRAVEHEART]

Originally Posted by sbh15

We haven't given up, but PC has the WC on lock.

He does, but Our DE depth might turn him off, and I believe right now that UF is hs favorite OOS school and probably numero 2 on his list in general. Supposdly Jeffcoat will not be going to USC or took them out of the running, so that only helps USC with Powell.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by sbh15

I'm bored so here's a Florida mock class...

Committed in bold, leans in italics, high targets below that (I don't count the high targets as part of the class, the mock class consists of the bolds and italics, but that won't be the entire thing, just what I have now)

QB Trey Burton, Venice (FL) Venice, 4*
RB Mack Brown, Lithonia (GA) Martin Luther King, 4*
RB Roy Finch, Niceville (FL) Niceville, 4*
WR Chris Dunkley, Royal Palm Beach (FL) Royal Palm Beach, 4*
WR Kadron Boone, Ocala (FL) Trinity Catholic, 4*
WR [JUCO] Kenbrell Thompkins, Torrance (CA) El Camino C.C.
TE Michael McFarland, Tampa (FL) Blake, 3* [5.7] (7)
TE Gerald Christian, West Palm Beach (FL) Dwyer, 4* [6.0] (8)
OL Ian Silberman, Fleming Island (FL) Fleming Island, 4*
OL Brent Benedict, Jacksonville (FL) Bolles, 4*
OL Chaz Green, Tampa (FL) Tampa Catholic, 4*
DT Leon Orr, New Port Richey (FL) Gulf, 3*
DE B.J. Butler, Kissimmee (FL) Osceola, 3*
LB Gideon Ajagbe, Coconut Grove (FL) Ransom Everglades, 4*
CB Demar Dorsey, Lauderdale Lakes (FL) Boyd Anderson, 4*
CB Victor Hampton, Charlotte (NC) Independence, 4*
CB Jaylen Watkins, Cape Coral (FL) Cape Coral, 4*
S Matt Elam, Palm Beach (FL) Dwyer, 5* [6.1] (23)
S Jonathan Dowling, Bradenton (FL) Southeast, 4*
S Jordan Haden, Fort Washington (MD) Friendly, 4*
ATH Nickell Robey, Frostproof (FL) Frostproof 4*

High Targets/Potential Gators
RB Silas Redd, Stamford (CT) King & Low Heywood Thomas, 4*
WR Demarco Cobbs, Tulsa (OK) Tulsa Central, 4*
DT Louis Nix, Jacksonville (FL) Raines, 4*
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, Portland (OR) David Douglas, 4*
LB Jeff Luc, Port St. Lucie (FL) Treasure Coast, 5*
LB Christian Jones, Winter Park (FL) Lake Howell, 4*

Good God.

7 DBs? I thought your problem was DL?

Seems like a solid class. A little underwhelming. I'm expecting a 2009 LSU type year from you guys after winning the NC and that prediction is not it.

Taking a small class again this year?

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

There's nothing to add. Hollywood completely made something up. Nobody can defend it. Miami fans act like it's a secret code or way of life. It's not. You're just constantly on the defensive about possibly losing someone from your backyard and so you make up stupid things like weather and population figures without knowing anything about the personality of the kid at all.

There ya go, end o' debate.

And your house way up in Minnesota or w/e gives you authority to speak on it?

We might not know the kid personally but we do know the general feel about how people from Florida look at moving up north.

Why do you think people from up north move to Florida to retire?

People are always complaining about fans from the Mets or Knicks or Steeler or any northern team being all in the Florida stadium for games. Well that's because they all move down here.

I guarantee you there's more northerns living in Florida then there are Floridians living up north.

But then again, you can't see that from Minnesota because your not down here to meet all these people to migrate down here on a yearly basis, mainly due to weather.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

And your house way up in Minnesota or w/e gives you authority to speak on it?

I haven't made outlandish claims. Pointless comment.

We might not know the kid personally but we do know the general feel about how people from Florida look at moving up north.

What % of people from Florida would you say you've had this conversation with. If it's less than .0000000000001% you're lying.

Why do you think people from up north move to Florida to retire?

If by people, you mean old New York Jews, I would guess it's because they are tired of dealing with snow, traffic, and other things that come from living on the East Coast. However, I'm doubting this prospect is an old New York Jew. Or that he's retiring. So again, pointless comment.

People are always complaining about fans from the Mets or Knicks or Steeler or any northern team being all in the Florida stadium for games. Well that's because they all move down here.

And because nobody gives a **** about professional sports in the south.

I guarantee you there's more northerns living in Florida then there are Floridians living up north.

Again, completely pointless point. Are these people scholarship athletes? That's like saying there are more birds that fly south than vice versa. Unless he's a bird, it doesn't ******* matter. Not to mention that the population of "northerners" (whatever that means) available to move to Florida is about 10 times larger than the population of Florida.

But then again, you can't see that from Minnesota because your not down here to meet all these people to migrate down here on a yearly basis, mainly due to weather.

Old people migrate due to weather. Most people move for jobs and opportunity. Regardless, most major sources of population in the United States are actually in cold to moderate climates. So even that doesn't really hold water.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by sbh15

I'm bored so here's a Florida mock class...

Committed in bold, leans in italics, high targets below that (I don't count the high targets as part of the class, the mock class consists of the bolds and italics, but that won't be the entire thing, just what I have now)

QB Trey Burton, Venice (FL) Venice, 4*
RB Mack Brown, Lithonia (GA) Martin Luther King, 4*
RB Roy Finch, Niceville (FL) Niceville, 4*
WR Chris Dunkley, Royal Palm Beach (FL) Royal Palm Beach, 4*
WR Kadron Boone, Ocala (FL) Trinity Catholic, 4*
WR [JUCO] Kenbrell Thompkins, Torrance (CA) El Camino C.C.
TE Michael McFarland, Tampa (FL) Blake, 3* [5.7] (7)
TE Gerald Christian, West Palm Beach (FL) Dwyer, 4* [6.0] (8)
OL Ian Silberman, Fleming Island (FL) Fleming Island, 4*
OL Brent Benedict, Jacksonville (FL) Bolles, 4*
OL Chaz Green, Tampa (FL) Tampa Catholic, 4*
DT Leon Orr, New Port Richey (FL) Gulf, 3*
DE B.J. Butler, Kissimmee (FL) Osceola, 3*
LB Gideon Ajagbe, Coconut Grove (FL) Ransom Everglades, 4*
CB Demar Dorsey, Lauderdale Lakes (FL) Boyd Anderson, 4*
CB Victor Hampton, Charlotte (NC) Independence, 4*
CB Jaylen Watkins, Cape Coral (FL) Cape Coral, 4*
S Matt Elam, Palm Beach (FL) Dwyer, 5* [6.1] (23)
S Jonathan Dowling, Bradenton (FL) Southeast, 4*
S Jordan Haden, Fort Washington (MD) Friendly, 4*
ATH Nickell Robey, Frostproof (FL) Frostproof 4*

High Targets/Potential Gators
RB Silas Redd, Stamford (CT) King & Low Heywood Thomas, 4*
WR Demarco Cobbs, Tulsa (OK) Tulsa Central, 4*
DT Louis Nix, Jacksonville (FL) Raines, 4*
DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa, Portland (OR) David Douglas, 4*
LB Jeff Luc, Port St. Lucie (FL) Treasure Coast, 5*
LB Christian Jones, Winter Park (FL) Lake Howell, 4*

Stacked on the offensive side, but underwhelming defensive class IMO.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I haven't made outlandish claims. Pointless comment.


What % of people from Florida would you say you've had this conversation with. If it's less than .0000000000001% you're lying.


If by people, you mean old New York Jews, I would guess it's because they are tired of dealing with snow, traffic, and other things that come from living on the East Coast. However, I'm doubting this prospect is an old New York Jew. Or that he's retiring. So again, pointless comment.

And because nobody gives a **** about professional sports in the south.


Again, completely pointless point. Are these people scholarship athletes? That's like saying there are more birds that fly south than vice versa. Unless he's a bird, it doesn't ******* matter. Not to mention that the population of "northerners" (whatever that means) available to move to Florida is about 10 times larger than the population of Florida.


Old people migrate due to weather. Most people move for jobs and opportunity. Regardless, most major sources of population in the United States are actually in cold to moderate climates. So even that doesn't really hold water.

man bearsfan51, you are so way off here, its ridiculous. I don't even know where to start??? First of all, South Florida is not all New York jews, it's transplants of people from everywhere up north. Even SW Florida is filled with people from Ohio, Chicago and the entire Midwest. Boston, NYC, everyone is a transplant from up north down here. When I tell people I am born and raised in Hollywood/South Florida, they are always so surprised because it's so unheard of. My entire block growing up was Italian New Yorkers.

Anyways, the point joey and I were trying to make is 90% of kids who are born and raised where Joyner was born and raised do not want to go to a small rural college town like Gainesville, or a frigid, complete and utterly shockingly cold place 2000 miles away where they have little to no connections like Columbus. I know you couldn't pay me enough money to move to freezing cold place for four years of my life. It's no knock on a town like Columbus, it's just the weather we were used to and I don't need to know Lamarcus personally to know this, it's just the way it is.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Hollywood

man bearsfan51, you are so way off here, its ridiculous. I don't even know where to start??? First of all, South Florida is not all New York jews, it's transplants of people from everywhere up north. Even SW Florida is filled with people from Ohio, Chicago and the entire Midwest. Boston, NYC, everyone is a transplant from up north down here. When I tell people I am born and raised in Hollywood/South Florida, they are always so surprised because it's so unheard of. My entire block growing up was Italian New Yorkers.

Anyways, the point joey and I were trying to make is 90% of kids who are born and raised where Joyner was born and raised do not want to go to a small rural college town like Gainesville, or a frigid, complete and utterly shockingly cold place 2000 miles away where they have little to no connections like Columbus. I know you couldn't pay me enough money to move to freezing cold place for four years of my life. It's no knock on a town like Columbus, it's just the weather we were used to and I don't need to know Lamarcus personally to know this, it's just the way it is.

Columbus is about 1,000 miles away. The average yearly temperature is 62-42. Mildly cold at best.

Also, let's get back to the very specific topic, which is recruiting. If you want to look at migratory patterns, the only one that matters is recruits. Mentioning your neighbors is at the least irrelevant, and I would argue both stupid and misleading. The only way this could actually be "decided" (although as I said from the start, is based on nothing but you guys making **** up) is to look at the number of recruits that Miami and Ohio State have both recruited over the years, and see how many leave Ohio for Miami, and how many leave Florida for Ohio State. Given what you've said, it should be an absolute slam dunk that more kids would leave Ohio for Florida than the other way around. I highly doubt that's the case however.

[keylime_5]

I think you guys are blowing the weather thing out of proportion. Some kids just like to go OOS and there's been a lot of Florida and Miami kids to go north. JB Shugarts is a tackle from Texas and he says he hates the cold and that but digs Columbus and the college town/tradition/football factory he's playing for. Cold weather is just one of the negative things kids get over when it comes to playing college football for four years.
I know on those OSU message boards every time someone brings up the cold weather there's always a response about it's cold in the late NFL season, you'll get prepared.

And btw, I must've wasteed God knows how many hours on mortal kombat II back in the day.

[sbh15]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

Good God.

7 DBs? I thought your problem was DL?

Seems like a solid class. A little underwhelming. I'm expecting a 2009 LSU type year from you guys after winning the NC and that prediction is not it.

Taking a small class again this year?

Robey won't play DB and I don't really see Haden having a spot, but right now we'd probably take him. It's a very conservative projection as the guys in the mock class are only leans and commitments. Defensive line will be interesting, and I honestly think Louis Nix is wide open as is Jeff Luc. I think we get O.O. as well, and that would be four linemen. Chaz Green might end up at defensive tackle as well.

Originally Posted by Hollywood

Stacked on the offensive side, but underwhelming defensive class IMO.

I left a couple guys who I think Florida could end up with out, so take that for what it's worth.

James Hurst could also end up in this class, and there are plenty of other guys we could end up picking up. Once again, those are solid leans and maybe five of the targets we're heavily pursuing.

Not to mention that I fully expect a few of those guys' rankings to move up. I wouldn't expect anything like seven five stars, but a number like five wouldn't shock me. It all depends on how things progress from here. We could make big pushes and turn guys and what not.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Columbus is about 1,000 miles away. The average yearly temperature is 62-42. Mildly cold at best.

Also, let's get back to the very specific topic, which is recruiting. If you want to look at migratory patterns, the only one that matters is recruits. Mentioning your neighbors is at the least irrelevant, and I would argue both stupid and misleading. The only way this could actually be "decided" (although as I said from the start, is based on nothing but you guys making **** up) is to look at the number of recruits that Miami and Ohio State have both recruited over the years, and see how many leave Ohio for Miami, and how many leave Florida for Ohio State. Given what you've said, it should be an absolute slam dunk that more kids would leave Ohio for Florida than the other way around. I highly doubt that's the case however.

Compared to Miami, Columbus is frigid cold. Go do a search for average monthly temperatures in each city. Hell right now according to google temps. it is 75 degrees here with a low tonight of 70, in Columbus the low tonight is 48. It's leads the news of gets to 48 degrees in January here.


Anyways, you say to look at recruits and I say fine - find me some recruits who actually leave here to go to Columbus who are actually wanted by the big three and/or don't have a prior connection to the school? It's an extremely rare occurrence and the reasons have already been outlined for you.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by sbh15

Robey won't play DB and I don't really see Haden having a spot, but right now we'd probably take him. It's a very conservative projection as the guys in the mock class are only leans and commitments. Defensive line will be interesting, and I honestly think Louis Nix is wide open as is Jeff Luc. I think we get O.O. as well, and that would be four linemen. Chaz Green might end up at defensive tackle as well.



I left a couple guys who I think Florida could end up with out, so take that for what it's worth.

James Hurst could also end up in this class, and there are plenty of other guys we could end up picking up. Once again, those are solid leans and maybe five of the targets we're heavily pursuing.

Not to mention that I fully expect a few of those guys' rankings to move up. I wouldn't expect anything like seven five stars, but a number like five wouldn't shock me. It all depends on how things progress from here. We could make big pushes and turn guys and what not.

A page or 2 ago you thought Nix was solid to us. Change your mind pretty quickly huh?

Considering Nix is committed to us, I wouldn't say he's wide open. At the very least, he's a Miami lean.

And I don't know if you have read all the crap on Luc, but Newberg said Luc brought Miami up quite a bit and we are the only school he's visited (3 times now). So yea, he's for sure a Miami lean. Not exactly wide open either.

If Nix and Luc are wide open then Dorsey and Watkins are as well. And we both know that's not the case.

[sbh15]

It seems as if Florida is going to let Jeff Luc go (meaning I admit I was wrong about his status)...

Gideon Ajagbe is a definite Gator, and Christian Jones and Trey Burton are best friends and he's pushing him here hard. I expect Jones to blow up with the offer sheet he's gathering. That on top of the fact that Urban said we will NOT take three linebackers in this class means Luc will probably not be a Gator.

And I said he's probably a soft verbal. Which means he's committed, but it's not really much.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Columbus is about 1,000 miles away. The average yearly temperature is 62-42. Mildly cold at best.

Also, let's get back to the very specific topic, which is recruiting. If you want to look at migratory patterns, the only one that matters is recruits. Mentioning your neighbors is at the least irrelevant, and I would argue both stupid and misleading. The only way this could actually be "decided" (although as I said from the start, is based on nothing but you guys making **** up) is to look at the number of recruits that Miami and Ohio State have both recruited over the years, and see how many leave Ohio for Miami, and how many leave Florida for Ohio State. Given what you've said, it should be an absolute slam dunk that more kids would leave Ohio for Florida than the other way around. I highly doubt that's the case however.

So you get on me for saying that there's more northerns in Florida then there are Floridians up north because the North has more population to move then Florida does.

But suddenly you can ignore the fact that Florida puts out close to 3 times the amount of kids then Ohio does in order to help your argument?

Certainly like to have your cake and eat it too dont you?

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by sbh15

It seems as if Florida is going to let Jeff Luc go (meaning I admit I was wrong about his status)...

Gideon Ajagbe is a definite Gator, and Christian Jones and Trey Burton are best friends and he's pushing him here hard. I expect Jones to blow up with the offer sheet he's gathering. That on top of the fact that Urban said we will NOT take three linebackers in this class means Luc will probably not be a Gator.

And I said he's probably a soft verbal. Which means he's committed, but it's not really much.

So explain to me again how you made the leap from him being a "soft verbal" to him being "wide open". Pretty drastic difference there.

Jeff Luc is coming to Miami. I'm pretty confident on that.

As for UF LB, your switch Elam there I assume, and Ajagbe is a given, but I think you have a better shot at Marvin Robinson then Jones. Jones entire family are Noles. Its a complete uphill battle for anyone to take him away from the Noles.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

So you get on me for saying that there's more northerns in Florida then there are Floridians up north because the North has more population to move then Florida does.

But suddenly you can ignore the fact that Florida puts out close to 3 times the amount of kids then Ohio does in order to help your argument?

Certainly like to have your cake and eat it too dont you?

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Do it as a matter of percentages then. Although you've managed to now include Florida and Florida State in your argument too, when originally this was about a kid choosing Ohio State over Miami.

[sbh15]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

So explain to me again how you made the leap from him being a "soft verbal" to him being "wide open". Pretty drastic difference there.

Jeff Luc is coming to Miami. I'm pretty confident on that.

As for UF LB, your switch Elam there I assume, and Ajagbe is a given, but I think you have a better shot at Marvin Robinson then Jones. Jones entire family are Noles. Its a complete uphill battle for anyone to take him away from the Noles.

I made the leap because I was basically trying to avoid pissing off the Miami fans, but then I decided I don't really care. The thing we have going with Jones is him and Burton are best friends, and Jones has said he loves the idea of playing with Jones. Nix does remain committed to Miami, but I really don't see it as anything MORE than a soft verbal and I think he's as good as wide open.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

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Do it as a matter of percentages then. Although you've managed to now include Florida and Florida State in your argument too, when originally this was about a kid choosing Ohio State over Miami.

WTF are you talking about?

Did you miss this entire conversation?

When have I ever even muttered the words Florida State? When did I ever saying anyone was going to pick Miami or OSU?

I was just saying that in general Florida kids don't like to go up north and I got into reasons why. Not once have I ever brought up a single specific team or player or anything of the sort.

In fact, if you read a few pages back. I'm the one that said Joyner would be picking OSU soon.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by sbh15

I made the leap because I was basically trying to avoid pissing off the Miami fans, but then I decided I don't really care. The thing we have going with Jones is him and Burton are best friends, and Jones has said he loves the idea of playing with Jones. Nix does remain committed to Miami, but I really don't see it as anything MORE than a soft verbal and I think he's as good as wide open.

And what gives you the impression Nix is wide open?

Do you honestly think Jones is picking Burton over his family. If Jones picks UF it will have very little to do with Burton and more to do with the mess going on at FSU right now.

[sbh15]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

And what gives you the impression Nix is wide open?

Do you honestly think Jones is picking Burton over his family. If Jones picks UF it will have very little to do with Burton and more to do with the mess going on at FSU right now.

Do you honestly expect Nix to pick Miami over his family?

Well you're answering you're own question right there, as Nix's family is all about Florida. Not to mention he comes from Jacksonville where Florida recruits pretty damn well.

Anyway, I'm confident about Jones for a number of reasons.

[BRAVEHEART]

You florida guys a are a trip, it's gonna be hilarious when I move down there next year.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by sbh15

Do you honestly expect Nix to pick Miami over his family?

Well you're answering you're own question right there, as Nix's family is all about Florida. Not to mention he comes from Jacksonville where Florida recruits pretty damn well.

Anyway, I'm confident about Jones for a number of reasons.

See this is where you are dead wrong. Your confusing Nix's family as pushing him to go to UF when in reality, they are just UF fans. Do you honestly think Nix's parents would let him commit to Miami this early in the process if they were dead set on him going to UF? Your overblowing the family in this situation.

As for Jones, his dad and ,I believe, both his brothers played for Bowden at FSU. Not the same as Nix at all. In fact, it's much closer to the Elam situation (his brother played for CUM) then it is to the Nix situation.

Jacksonville has been recruited well by Miami, Clemson, FSU and UF in recent years. Don't act like it's Gator country.

BTW...Louis Nix has been trying to convince his best friend and Miami lean Tavadis Glenn to commit to us.

[sbh15]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

See this is where you are dead wrong. Your confusing Nix's family as pushing him to go to UF when in reality, they are just UF fans. Do you honestly think Nix's parents would let him commit to Miami this early in the process if they were dead set on him going to UF? Your overblowing the family in this situation.

As for Jones, his dad and I believe both his brothers played for Bowden at FSU. Not the same as Nix at all. In fact, it's much closer to the Elam situation (his brother played for CUM) then it is to the Nix situation.

Jacksonville has been recruited well by Miami, Clemson, FSU and UF in recent years. Don't act like it's Gator country.

BTW...Louis Nix has been trying to convince his best friend and Miami lean Tavadis Glenn to commit to us.

I knew I opened Pandora's Box when I started talking about Nix...

Look, only time will tell anyway, I'm just telling you what I've heard.

[JoeyJr09]

Originally Posted by sbh15

I knew I opened Pandora's Box when I started talking about Nix...

Look, only time will tell anyway, I'm just telling you what I've heard.

But you haven't heard anything.

All you say is that his family is "all about UF". w/e that means.

Meanwhile he is committed to us and is recruiting his best friend to play for us.

What is it Im missing exactly?

[sbh15]

Originally Posted by JoeyJr09

But you haven't heard anything.

All you say is that his family is "all about UF". w/e that means.

Meanwhile he is committed to us and is recruiting his best friend to play for us.

What is it Im missing exactly?

"It was exciting and I want to be a part of it but I have to wait man it's just hard for me now with all the pressure and trying to please others."

And there was the quote he had at our junior day where he said something along the lines of "my family doesn't care where I go, as long as it's the Gators". Not to mention that my Gator guy who has ties within the organization says he's playing you guys, but I've been ignoring that because at this point nothing is final.