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Old 02-06-2009, 10:50 AM    (permalink
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It will cost any team who wants him TWO 1st-round picks.

Do you guys think he is worth it then? I think he is to teams who are a QB away from big postseason runs, but not for a team who is building from the ground up.
Yeah, the two 1st round picks called for by the franchise tag is not set in stone. I think that has only happened once since instituted, though my memory doesn't always serve me well.

The Patriots can accept whatever deal they want, but it will most likely include at least 2 2nd round picks. Probably a 2, 2, 3 or a 1 & 2 conditional type trade. I could see a 2nd this year with a 1st or 2nd next year depending on his performance. I'd like to see an "if you trade him to the Jets we get your next 3 #1 picks" type of deal. :)
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:52 AM    (permalink
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Derek Anderson looked far more dominant in his one season as a starter and Anderson was younger and more talented.
Really? Let's not make Derek Anderson this awesome player, please.

2007 Derek Anderson (Age 26 in 2009)

15 starts (10-5), 298-527 (56.5%), 3787 yards, 29 TD/19 INT, 82.5 Rating

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15 starts, (10-5), 327-516 (63.4%), 3693 yards, 21 TD/11 INT, 89.4 Rating


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It will cost any team who wants him TWO 1st-round picks.

Do you guys think he is worth it then? I think he is to teams who are a QB away from big postseason runs, but not for a team who is building from the ground up.
Only if they straight up sign him without dealing with the Patriots.

New England would be incredibly stupid to not want to work out a deal with a team willing to part with a low first round pick, or multiple 2/3 rounders.
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Old 02-06-2009, 11:15 AM    (permalink
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All he proved was that he could put up decent numbers with an ELITE cast and coaching cast.

Honestly his TD total considering the talent he had on that team was not even that impressive. He had one of the highest percentages in the league of passes between 1-10 yards and he cost Randy Moss at least half a dozen TDs this season by missing him deep.

Derek Anderson looked far more dominant in his one season as a starter and Anderson was younger and more talented.


Honestly Im actually hoping that a team is stupid enough to give up a ton of picks for this guy just so he can be exposed
Well someone decided to ride the stat train without watching any football!

Anderson was pretty horrible last year, it's no surprise that he flopped this year. His accuracy was just terrible, and his decision making was sub-par. You're trying to knock on Cassel for playing with Moss, when last year Edwards was arguably one of the best WRs in the game, playing with a great offensive line and running game. Not to mention a top 4 TE.
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Really? Let's not make Derek Anderson this awesome player, please.

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15 starts (10-5), 298-527 (56.5%), 3787 yards, 29 TD/19 INT, 82.5 Rating

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29 TDs = Top 5 in the NFL that season.

Don't even give me that completion percentage non sense with all those dump off passes they called for Cassell a game. He had about the most passes thrown between 1-10 yards than any QB in the league.

Cassell did it with a far superior system and he did it with Randy Moss and Wes Welker who I'd take any day over the cast that Anderson had.

Anderson is a year younger, has a stronger arm, and Anderson didn't warrant freaking two first day picks
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Well someone decided to ride the stat train without watching any football!

Anderson was pretty horrible last year, it's no surprise that he flopped this year. His accuracy was just terrible, and his decision making was sub-par. You're trying to knock on Cassel for playing with Moss, when last year Edwards was arguably one of the best WRs in the game, playing with a great offensive line and running game. Not to mention a top 4 TE.
Anderson was pretty horrible down the stretch maybe. But not for the first 3/4 of the season by any stretch of the imagination.
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Anderson is a year younger, has a stronger arm, and Anderson didn't warrant freaking two first day picks
That had more to do with the Brown's wanting to keep him than them not being able to get the picks, if I recall correctly.
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Anderson was pretty horrible down the stretch maybe. But not for the first 3/4 of the season by any stretch of the imagination.
And what about the offense argument? I'd go as far as to say that last year's Browns offense (this is discarding the QB position) was better than this year's New England offense.
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Old 02-06-2009, 11:55 AM    (permalink
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If you were the lions would you give up too first rounders for Cassel?
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If you were the lions would you give up too first rounders for Cassel?
Hell no. That's not even a question. You don't even give up one. I don't care if it's next year's.
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I would be shocked if the Patriots even considered a trade that forced them to pay the price associated with a #1 pick - or anywhere in the top 5 for that matter.
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29 TDs = Top 5 in the NFL that season.

Don't even give me that completion percentage non sense with all those dump off passes they called for Cassell a game. He had about the most passes thrown between 1-10 yards than any QB in the league.

Cassell did it with a far superior system and he did it with Randy Moss and Wes Welker who I'd take any day over the cast that Anderson had.

Anderson is a year younger, has a stronger arm, and Anderson didn't warrant freaking two first day picks
Sorry, but you have to get it done in the offense you play in; it includes taking what's given to you, not throwing ridiculous passes downfield when they are not there. Anderson has never been an accurate QB in college (and was also a turnover monster like he is in the NFL) and he is not all of a sudden going to get more accurate in the NFL. Anderson had Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, and a running game, something the Pats don't have so there was even more pressure on Cassel. Far superior offensive system? Again, you exaggerate.

A year younger in this case means nothing. Neither guy had much experience before grabbing the starting job.

Strong arm means nothing in the system you play in if you don't need one. Anderson totally regressed in 2008. If Anderson is so great, he keeps Brady Quinn at bay. Cassel is behind Tom Brady, for God's sake!

The fact is that the market for QB will pay a premium for anyone competent. Anderson is looking like a flash in the pan. Cassel? He could be, but we don't know, and a team will take the shot by offering two draft picks for him. There were no offers like this for Anderson when he was a RFA.

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I could be mistaken, but I think that if the Pats traded Cassell, he would have to agree to a new contract, giving him the option to void any trades and just take the franchise money for a year of backup duty.
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^Correct. But what are the chances he chooses to take 14.5 million to be a back up for one year over a competitive, multiyear deal that will likely include somewhere around 10 million guaranteed and be the #1 guy?

My guess would be the chances are pretty slim. Nobody chooses to be a backup.
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Because he played on a team with Randy Moss, automatically he's a scrub?
Scrub? No. But let's not pretend that having Randy Moss and Wes Welker isn't a big advantage for a quarterback.

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Let's not forget that the o-line fell off from its play last year, and they had absolutely no running game to speak of.
"They had absolutely no running game to speak of," yet finished 6th in the NFL in rushing yards per game? 7th in average per carry? 4th in rushing touchdowns and rushing attempts?

In the six games Matt Cassel posted a 100+ QB rating (excluding the season finale because of his limited involvement), the Patriots rushed for 963 yards on 170 carries (5.66 ypc average; 160.5 ypg) with nine rushing touchdowns.

Absolutely no running game to speak of? I'll have to disagree.

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If you were the lions would you give up too first rounders for Cassel?
Absolutely not. I have to assume at this point that, if Cassel is traded, it will involve a first round pick. Me personally, I'm really not sure I'd do it. If I'm going to make that move, I'd rather it be for a conditional 2010 pick that could turn into a first rounder if he meets certain benchmarks and proves he isn't a one-year wonder.
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