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Old 02-08-2009, 08:48 PM    (permalink
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I used to think the same thing. It's just not true.

For example, Nate Robinson ran a 4.38 out of highschool.
I say I doubt any other players outside the guard position could run a 4.5 and you say it is wrong because of Nate Robinson?

Nothing about that says I am wrong, in fact it is just another example of my theory.

Kobe Bryant does not have NFL WR speed.
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Even if you are a football player, pads affect you. You have to realize, most NFL players wear shoulder pads and a helmet. They don't have any pads in their legs. Pads wouldn't affect someone like Lebron James any more than they affect Randy Moss.
What I mean is that basketball players may appear to be more athletic, but part of that is because they play without pads--i.e. it's hard to compare the two.

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I say I doubt any other players outside the guard position could run a 4.5 and you say it is wrong because of Nate Robinson?
There are plenty of NBA guards who can run 4.5s. Off the top of my head... Paul, Rondo, Parker, and many others. The taller players like Kobe and LBJ can probably do it too, because they're long striders with deceptive speed.
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I say I doubt any other players outside the guard position could run a 4.5 and you say it is wrong because of Nate Robinson?

Nothing about that says I am wrong, in fact it is just another example of my theory.

Kobe Bryant does not have NFL WR speed.
I said for example. Nice reading comprehension.
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I'd like to see any NFL DB stop Dwight Howard from pulling down a lobbed pass to him in the endzone.

...but KG as a Cornerback might be able to stop him. LOL.
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I'd like to see any NFL DB stop Dwight Howard from pulling down a lobbed pass to him in the endzone.

...but KG as a Cornerback might be able to stop him. LOL.
they wont, theyll just jump the route
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Someone like LeBron has the skill set, but they would need time to perfect route running, and gain an understanding of the game. Immediate impact though? Not a chance in hell
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Wow.... I thought this was basically a joke thread at first... Lebron would be an elite athlete in the NFL... But never playing past high school, he simply would not have the skill set to be a star at WR in the pros. Look at somebody like Vernon Davis, a simply ridiculous athlete. Elite speed, strength and jumping ability, but he only has a mediocre skill set, so he's just a mediocre player.

But if LeBron had dedicated his life to football instead of basketball, I'm sure he could be a star player if he avoided injury. I don't see a 6'8 WR avoiding injury for too long though.
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Wow.... I thought this was basically a joke thread at first... Lebron would be an elite athlete in the NFL... But never playing past high school, he simply would not have the skill set to be a star at WR in the pros. Look at somebody like Vernon Davis, a simply ridiculous athlete. Elite speed, strength and jumping ability, but he only has a mediocre skill set, so he's just a mediocre player.

But if LeBron had dedicated his life to football instead of basketball, I'm sure he could be a star player if he avoided injury. I don't see a 6'8 WR avoiding injury for too long though.
No one is saying that if Lebron James switched over right now he would dominate. We are saying that had he focused on football rather than basketball(along with the other superstar basketball players,) they would likely dominate.
You have to remember he is also 270 lbs, it isn't like he is 6'8" 210. He would be bigger than most DEs. I don't see him having too big a problem getting hurt, when he is getting hit by guys 30-80 lbs lighter than him. He also wouldn't really go over the middle. How often do you see Randy Moss going across the middle for a pass? That is how LeBron would be used.
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LeBron would be the only NBA player I would want as a corner/ reciever. Now I would definitely have Shaq at the line.
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I always thought that Charlie Ward could have stuck as a QB in the NFL, but he was only projected as a 3rd round draft pick at best, maybe lower.
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He would't be restricted to that. Outside receiver or corner would be possibilities. He isn't short for football. 6'0".

Corner he would have been amazing at. I think I read he had like eight interceptions in a game at safety.
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Only players I think could play in the NFL at a skill position are Lebron and Wade.
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That right there proves that there are guys in the NBA that could have, at the very least, played D-1 college football. Yet there will still be people here who think it takes some kind of special super powers to play pro football that NBA players can't possibly have. There's at least a few NBA players that could make a 53 man roster in the NFL. One thing about the NBA that people need to realize: There are fewer roster spots and therefore fewer players. NBA players are even more elite than NFL players at their sport because their are fewer jobs and they are competing with players from all over the world, not just all over the USA.
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Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but back in high school, during his heavier days, Glen "Big Baby" Davis was a stud defensive tackle in Louisiana. Had he decided to stick with football, rather than basketball, combined with his size at the time he could very well have been a great college player, with NFL potential.
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I agree, I think it is funny how people are downing these athletes. They are men, not children. Some of them may be soft. But to think that they are wimps and the NFL players are all mighty men of courage...well, that is just not true.
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Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but back in high school, during his heavier days, Glen "Big Baby" Davis was a stud defensive tackle in Louisiana. Had he decided to stick with football, rather than basketball, combined with his size at the time he could very well have been a great college player, with NFL potential.
Actually, he got the name "Big Baby" because he was soft....

I don't doubt most of them could make it as athletes, but I just hate how people think like "OMG Dwight Howard is 6'11, he could just catch every jump ball!!"

NBA players would have to pack on some more bulk, which would hurt their athletic ability some. Think about it, LeBron is 260 at 6'8-6'9, everyone else that is 260 is closer to 6'2-6'3. The guys with the most similar build to LeBron are about 20-30 pounds heavier.

It's cool that Dwight could out reach anyone on a jump ball, it's not cool that his body presents a huge target, he's got mediocre lower body strength, and there's no way in hell he could get low enough to break tackles effectively....

Shaq would be too tall to be a dominant linemen, everyone would get up under him.

I think the guys that would be most effective would be someone like Baron Davis, but he's a ***** about driving in too much in the NBA, how does he handle NFL contact?
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A few things to note on player measurements and such.

1. Player heights in B-Ball are notoriously inflated. They're measured at the combine in shoes, which skews the height up to 2" in some cases. Spencer Hawes was 6'10.5" barefoot... 7'0.5" when he put on the shoes. So LeBron is closer to 6'7" than 6'9" in football terms. Nate Robinson is like 5'7" or 5'8". Impact unlikely.

2. Vertical jumps are MAX verticals. Very clever by whoever decided to make it this way, from a marketing standpoint. NBA players get to step into their vertical, which is of course a HUGE help. NFL players jump from a 2 foot stand still.

On an unrelated note, I don't think D-Wade could be an NFL player. He can barely stay healthy in the NBA, no way he lasts in the NFL. LeBron gets banged up from time to time, but most of those are basketball injuries that would affect you on the court more than on the gridiron.

To the person on the last page who said LeBron quit cuz he didn't like getting hit, that's fair, but there sure aren't many receivers that do like getting hit.
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Actually, he got the name "Big Baby" because he was soft....

I don't doubt most of them could make it as athletes, but I just hate how people think like "OMG Dwight Howard is 6'11, he could just catch every jump ball!!"

NBA players would have to pack on some more bulk, which would hurt their athletic ability some. Think about it, LeBron is 260 at 6'8-6'9, everyone else that is 260 is closer to 6'2-6'3. The guys with the most similar build to LeBron are about 20-30 pounds heavier.

It's cool that Dwight could out reach anyone on a jump ball, it's not cool that his body presents a huge target, he's got mediocre lower body strength, and there's no way in hell he could get low enough to break tackles effectively....

Shaq would be too tall to be a dominant linemen, everyone would get up under him.

I think the guys that would be most effective would be someone like Baron Davis, but he's a ***** about driving in too much in the NBA, how does he handle NFL contact?
Most of the 6'8" guys in the NFL are DL/OL who need the weight and who aren't nearly as athletic as James is. James could be a neo-TE, the kind that is lined up all over the field.
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When I mentioned the guys most built like LeBron, I was really thinking of Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, who are 6'7ish, long limped, and super athletes.

I doubt LeBron quit because he got hit, I think he quit because he's about the most gifted basketball player you will ever see...
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A few things to note on player measurements and such.

1. Player heights in B-Ball are notoriously inflated. They're measured at the combine in shoes, which skews the height up to 2" in some cases. Spencer Hawes was 6'10.5" barefoot... 7'0.5" when he put on the shoes. So LeBron is closer to 6'7" than 6'9" in football terms. Nate Robinson is like 5'7" or 5'8". Impact unlikely.
Hate to break it to ya, but both NFL and NBA players are listed as taller than their actual height because they don't play in bare feet. When LeBron or any other NBA player is on they court playing, he is wearing shoes, therefore that is the relevant height.
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NFL players wear shoes to play but AFAIK aren't measured in them. So the NBA heights will look skewed next to an NFL height.
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Did anyone one mention that James guy from Cleveland?
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