Atlanta thinks it can get a trade for the rights to Vick?

02-13-2009, 08:40 PM

The falcons have announced that they are going to try and trade the rights to imprisoned below average quarterback Michael Vick. Who do they think is stupid enough to give up a draft pick or a player for a quarterback that will be a PR nightmare and has proven to be a weak player despite great athletic ability. Especially considering Atlanta has no choice but to cut him for the team and the media.

I would't take Vick's current contract off the falcons hands if you offered it too me for nothing, how can a trade be possible?

Shane P. Hallam · 02-13-2009, 08:43 PM

If it wasn't for the contract, someone would trade for him for a second day pick to ensure they nab him. Contract is just too big for the liability that is Michael Vick.

Vox Populi · 02-13-2009, 09:18 PM

People under rate Vick just 'cause hes an ass hole. Sure hes not the best, but its not like he was the piece of **** quarterback some people make him out to be. Personality wise, sure...

russie · 02-13-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Vox Populi

People under rate Vick just 'cause he was a piece of **** quarterback

fixed it for you

TheBuffaloBills · 02-13-2009, 09:30 PM

I would not want him anywhere near my team. Anyways, are there any reports saying if he is in shape or anything?

tjsunstein · 02-13-2009, 09:35 PM

Any team that involves themself in this is going to have a PR problem. My only guess would be the Cowboys, I know how typical, but even I feel that's a very very longshot.

02-13-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vox Populi

People under rate Vick just 'cause hes an ass hole. Sure hes not the best, but its not like he was the piece of **** quarterback some people make him out to be. Personality wise, sure...

He was never accurate, he never made plays in the red zone passing, and he never made his teammates better.

Just look how much better the falcon wide recievers got with a rookie quarterback with some accuracy.

Halsey · 02-13-2009, 09:59 PM

Arthur Blank, Thomas Dimitroff and the rest of the Falcon's organization are not dumb. They are just 'playin the game' in case of the 1% chance someone does want to trade for him. There also may be other less obvious reasons, such as trying to make Vick fans in Atlanta happy. The 10 that are left might be upset if the Falcons just released him outright before trying to trade him.

PACKmanN · 02-13-2009, 10:04 PM

would the team trading for Vick have to pay him the money he had to pay back to the Falcons if the Falcons do trade him?

Shane P. Hallam · 02-13-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

would the team trading for Vick have to pay him the money he had to pay back to the Falcons if the Falcons do trade him?

Not exactly, but they would have to finish out his contract, which is still pretty big.

RaiderNation · 02-13-2009, 11:01 PM

If he would redo his deal, Id want Oakland to trade a 7th rounder for him

d34ng3l021 · 02-13-2009, 11:15 PM

There is no harm in trying. An offer could have been made had it not been for his contract though. Damnit.

Matthew Jones · 02-14-2009, 12:38 AM

Vick is among the top 20 quarterbacks in the league in my opinion. TD-INT ratio is nice, supremely athletic, by far the best scrambler ever, cannon arm. Low completion percentage but played in offenses that weren't built to take advantage of his strengths and with bad wide receivers throughout.

BlindSite · 02-14-2009, 12:48 AM

With the wildcat in vogue if you can sign him to the vet minimum he'd be a weapon.

Is it possible to trade for him and then sign him to a new 1 yr probationary deal or would he need to be released and then re-signed negating the need for a trade anyway.

BradysKnee · 02-14-2009, 08:09 AM

I'd trade a 7th for him if he takes a vet min.
He's served the time for his crime, he should be given a fair shot at return.

tjsunstein · 02-14-2009, 10:21 AM

I would actually watch him if he made a comeback. I wanna see how he stayed in shape in terms of maintaining size and speed.

espfootball92 · 02-14-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBuffaloBills

I would not want him anywhere near my team. Anyways, are there any reports saying if he is in shape or anything?

I remember John Clayton reporting a few months back that he was throwing passes and benching 305 lbs.

Iamcanadian · 02-14-2009, 10:51 AM

Atlanta is just going through the motions needed to placade the player's union. He will be cut ASAP and is untradable at this point with the salary cap dollars you'd have to absorb if you acquired him.
Oakland and Dallas have the only 2 owners who would allow Vick to play for them. However not even they would take on Vick in a trade and absorb the salary cap implications. Both will wait till he is a FA and then assess their choices.

BBIB · 02-14-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gramage

He was never accurate, he never made plays in the red zone passing, and he never made his teammates better.

Just look how much better the falcon wide recievers got with a rookie quarterback with some accuracy.

Falcons in 2003 without Vick- 2-10
Falcons in 2003 in Vick's return- 3-1
Falcons in 2004 with virtually the same team -11-5 and NFCCG apperance.

Yeah he sure held the team back LOL

As far as the receivers you mean receiver as in one, Roddy White. But Roddy White was raw coming into the league. His development had a lot more to do about a vertical offense and great coaching. That's why he broke out in a season with QB by committee between Harrington, Leftwich, and Redman. And Roddy was still 2nd in the NFC in drops last year.

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Originally Posted by JBond93

If it wasn't for the contract, someone would trade for him for a second day pick to ensure they nab him. Contract is just too big for the liability that is Michael Vick.

Pretty much sums it up. Falcons will have no choice but to release him because no team will be willing to take on that massive contract.

Unless there is somehow a way to restructure the deal, but I'm not sure that's even possible.

Halsey · 02-14-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

Vick is among the top 20 quarterbacks in the league in my opinion. TD-INT ratio is nice, supremely athletic, by far the best scrambler ever, cannon arm. Low completion percentage but played in offenses that weren't built to take advantage of his strengths and with bad wide receivers throughout.

Funny how the bad WR's weren't so bad when Schuab played or since Vick left. Playing in offenses not made for his strength is an excuse. Vick's problem was poor work ethic, pot smoking and distraction from other business ventures.

TimD · 02-14-2009, 12:01 PM

The wide receiver argument is just dumb. They got better because they got older and more experienced/mature. It happens with young receivers all the time. It takes a couple of years to get started.

Loggerhead · 02-14-2009, 12:09 PM

Vick was a damn fine player IMO. Since he was a scrambling QB he got a lot of bad flack. The bottom line is that Vick was a weapon who defenses had to account for. By all accounts he was working his ass off before he went to prison and was making strides. I would take Vick over half the QB's in this league. Why? He is controversial which means he will sell tickets and get people talking about my team. 2 if I am starting a guy like Frerotte, Kitna, or Bulger Vick would be a tremendous upgrade. He brings a dimension to the game that has never been see before. Vick's main issue is that he had poor pocket awareness.

With his athletism he should not have been sacked so many times. If a coach can teach him to get rid of the football instead of taking stupid hits I think Vick could be a very good QB. I could see Oakland, NYJ, or Minnesota signing him.

Halsey · 02-14-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TimDris

The wide receiver argument is just dumb. They got better because they got older and more experienced/mature. It happens with young receivers all the time. It takes a couple of years to get started.

It's only a dumb argument if you're a Vick apologist. Anyone who watched Vick with an objective eye could see his poor passing skills limited the offense. If it wasn't for Crumpler, his completion% would have been more like 40%. Young WR's do not cause passes to be overthrown, underthrown, thrown behind of crossing routes, etc.

gameplaya2435 · 02-14-2009, 12:35 PM

Al Davis will pull the trigger, contract and all. You just wait. ;)

ATLDirtyBirds · 02-14-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

Funny how the bad WR's weren't so bad when Schuab played or since Vick left.

Wow. This is just terrible. I mean, just ugh. Take a look at Shaub's Falcons numbers chief. The WR were awful.

And I'm hoping we can get a 5th-7th, and I think we might. I doubt it however. I'm just looking forward to him having another shot in the league and seeing what he can do with it.