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Old 02-14-2009, 12:49 PM    (permalink
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No way this happens, he must have at least 35 mill left on that contract. Can't blame 'em for trying I guess
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if i had some control on what the raiders would do ....id give atlanta Al davis and a bag of chips for Vick.
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Al Davis will pull the trigger, contract and all. You just wait. ;)
If they didn't have Russell I think he would.
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I thought NFL players had contract stipulations regarding jail time. I think it is as if he retired, there is no contract, but the Falcons are the only ones who can sign him. Thats why they would need to trade the rights to him.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:59 PM    (permalink
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Here's the contract that you would inherit in a trade:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...rner021309.htm
"Vick is serving time in a federal prison on felony charges related to dogfighting, but he is scheduled to be released in July. He is currently under contract to the Falcons through 2013, with the remaining five years of the deal worth $45.11 million, with another $3 million in possible Pro Bowl incentives. His 2009 base salary is $9 million, with another $6.43 million in bonuses."
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its way to early for Atlanta to even be mentioning trading Vick.
Vick still has a lot to prove before he can even think about playing in the NFL again. No team is going to want him right now because every team has plans for QBs. Unless someone gets hurt, or retires.
But just imagine if Vick signs with Carolina once Delhomme retires.
Vick, DeAngelo, Stewart, AND STEVE SMITH. shitwouldbedope
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its way to early for Atlanta to even be mentioning trading Vick.
Vick still has a lot to prove before he can even think about playing in the NFL again. No team is going to want him right now because every team has plans for QBs. Unless someone gets hurt, or retires.
But just imagine if Vick signs with Carolina once Delhomme retires.
Vick, DeAngelo, Stewart, AND STEVE SMITH. shitwouldbedope
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There is no harm in trying.
That's what I'm saying. Sure, very slim anyone bites but if they don't, oh well.
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Vick is among the top 20 quarterbacks in the league in my opinion. TD-INT ratio is nice, supremely athletic, by far the best scrambler ever, cannon arm. Low completion percentage but played in offenses that weren't built to take advantage of his strengths and with bad wide receivers throughout.
Vick hasn't played football in, what? Two seasons and you think he's top 20?
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Vick hasn't played football in, what? Two seasons and you think he's top 20?
Vick was just THAT good.
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Vick is among the top 20 quarterbacks in the league in my opinion. TD-INT ratio is nice, supremely athletic, by far the best scrambler ever, cannon arm. Low completion percentage but played in offenses that weren't built to take advantage of his strengths and with bad wide receivers throughout.
My thoughts exactly. If you put him on a team that has a nice run game with maybe a WR that can catch the ball when throw his way he can be a good QB.
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Vick hasn't played football in, what? Two seasons and you think he's top 20?
I think I can name 10-12 teams vick could start on. Lets start with the NFC North Lions, Vikings, Bears. Now for the rest of the NFL. 9ers, Chiefs, Bills, Titans(due to Collins age), Jets, Browns. So I guess I can only name 9. Those are the teams I wouldn't even hesitate to take Vick for. There are a few more than I would allow him to compete for the spot.
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He needs to go to the CFL or something for maybe a year or two, show he can still play a little, and some-what clear his name.
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I heard John Clayton say the Rams last night. IDK why he said, or maybe it makes sense. He has to go somewhere where the fans don't give a ****. St. Louis abliges that.
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Vick was just THAT good.
No, he sure wasn't. He wasn't even close to THAT good.

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I think I can name 10-12 teams vick could start on. Lets start with the NFC North Lions, Vikings, Bears. Now for the rest of the NFL. 9ers, Chiefs, Bills, Titans(due to Collins age), Jets, Browns. So I guess I can only name 9. Those are the teams I wouldn't even hesitate to take Vick for. There are a few more than I would allow him to compete for the spot.
Vick (not to mention a vick who hasn't played in the NFL for two seasons and is coming out of JAIL) wouldn't start for an NFL team, unless some team got really really desperate.
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No, he sure wasn't. He wasn't even close to THAT good.

I was just kidding.
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I think I can name 10-12 teams vick could start on. Lets start with the NFC North Lions, Vikings, Bears. Now for the rest of the NFL. 9ers, Chiefs, Bills, Titans(due to Collins age), Jets, Browns. So I guess I can only name 9. Those are the teams I wouldn't even hesitate to take Vick for. There are a few more than I would allow him to compete for the spot.
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Here's the contract that you would inherit in a trade:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...rner021309.htm
"Vick is serving time in a federal prison on felony charges related to dogfighting, but he is scheduled to be released in July. He is currently under contract to the Falcons through 2013, with the remaining five years of the deal worth $45.11 million, with another $3 million in possible Pro Bowl incentives. His 2009 base salary is $9 million, with another $6.43 million in bonuses."
His cap numbers mean more to Atlanta than the team that trades for him. Whoever trades for his rights is going to give him a short deal with a minimum salary a la Pacman Jones. The problem lies with Atlanta and absorbing all that dead bonus money.
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No, he sure wasn't. He wasn't even close to THAT good.



Vick (not to mention a vick who hasn't played in the NFL for two seasons and is coming out of JAIL) wouldn't start for an NFL team, unless some team got really really desperate.
I meant in terms of football only, disregarding his baggage. I'm not expecting him to end up back in football.
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I abhor Mike Vick ( even before the doggy dilemma), and don't think he ever was or ever will be a great NFL QB. but I can't help but imagine him in a Wildcat offense.
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It's only a dumb argument if you're a Vick apologist. Anyone who watched Vick with an objective eye could see his poor passing skills limited the offense. If it wasn't for Crumpler, his completion% would have been more like 40%. Young WR's do not cause passes to be overthrown, underthrown, thrown behind of crossing routes, etc.
No it's a dumb argument because

A)Only one WR in Vick's entire career got better when he left, Roddy White.

B)It was the same WR who coming into the league pretty much every draft analysis said was it was going to take him a while to develop.

C)It was the same WR who did not even become a full-time starter until 2007 the year after Vick left. (White started 8 games in 2005 his rookie year and 5 in 2006, 2007 was first year he went into the year as a starter)

D)Same Wr who blossomed under the same WR coach who helped turn around the career of TJ Houshmanzedah.

This was nothing unexpected. Even Chad Johnson before the season said that Hue Jackson was going to mold the ATL receivers and that Vick would be a happy man, of course this is before the turmoil caught up to him.


There is no Vick apologist in these facts. The only objectivity is on those who reject these facts. Vick didn't hold receivers back. He didn't hold Crumpler back from being a Pro Bowl TE and being near the top of the league in terms of yardage, YPR, and TDs among TEs in the league.

And he didn't hold his receivers back. Roddy White the one guy who blossomed who Vick detractors try to use to tear down Vick, when there was a laundry list of reason that were even stated BEFORE he blossomed why it would be delayed.

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Vick hasn't played football in, what? Two seasons and you think he's top 20?
Chris Redman
Played in 2003 (Missed 2004, 2005, and 2006 season)

3 years in between starts

Before 2007:
7 TDs
5 INTs

After return (30 years old in 2007)
10 TDs
5 INTs


Tommy Maddox
Played in 1995. (Missed 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000 season)

5 years in between starts

Before 2001:
6 TDs
14 INTs

0-4 record as starter

After return: (30 years old in 2001)
42 TDs
42 INTs

15-16-1 record as starter


Todd Collins
Played in 1997 (Missed 1998, 1999, 2000)

3 years in between years in the league (9 years in between starts)

Before 2001:
16 TDs
19 INTs

7-10 record as starter

After return (30 years old in 2001)
6 TDs
0 INts

3-0 record as starter

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An example of several players who missed as much time to more than Vick in between being in the league, and all of these guys just so happened to put up BETTER numbers when they returned.

Vick would be younger in his return than all of these guys and he was far more talented than all of these guys before he departed.

Vick is only 6 months older than Eli Manning. He's only 2 years older than Big Ben.

Im not buying the age or the time away from the game argument because neither are truly valid if Vick is in shape.

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Unless he takes a GIANT paycut there is no way anyone is going to trade for him. I think if he really wants to come back though he will take a pay cut.
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Unless he takes a GIANT paycut there is no way anyone is going to trade for him. I think if he really wants to come back though he will take a pay cut.
Im not sure they can cut guaranteed money. Falcons will have to cut him

Then he will have to sign for a team near the league minimum with incentives
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