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Old 02-19-2009, 11:44 PM    (permalink
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15M+ per year??????????? Am I reading this right?

Everyone is saying great move, but I mean.........
He is clearly the best CB right now, and we needed to keep him. One he is the leader of the defense and team probably. This also shows Oakland is trying to get better by keeping key players and might draw other F/A's to sign. Asomugha will play CB for us for another 3-5 years and move to FS for how ever long he plans on playing. So far this has been a great offseason for Oakland. Now we need to get rid of wasted cap(Harris,Green,Sands,Walker,Huff) and have a draft that bulks up our Oline and Dline.
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It seems to come out to about 13 million per year in the first two years of the contract, which is basically what Oakland would have paid Asomugha if they had franchised him for the 2009 and 2010 seasons. And while the point of a long term contract is to avoid yearly cap hits like the franchise tag (and, of course, Oakland failed to really severely lessen Asomugha's 2009 cap hit through this contract as some expected they would try to do), this seems like a decent negotiation for both parties.

Asomugha gets the security he's been looking for (25+ million guaranteed in a two year contract is unheard of) and Al basically gets to lock up his best player in year after year of exclusive franchise tags without having to go through the song and dance every year.

Personally, I'm just happy he's still a Raider. Asomugha is a special guy, both for what he does on and off the field, and it would have stung to see him don another uniform. It isn't my money, and if Oakland was planning to just franchise him until it was no longer an option (as I expect they were), this agreement is much more mutual and gets everyone what they want.

Oakland should be alright cap-wise. Terdell Sands is almost certainly gone along with the last 8.6 million dollar of his contract (cap penalty free) and Javon Walker is likely gone as well along with the remaining 38 million dollars of that contract (and all of that cap penalty free as well).
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Good signing for the Raiders, even if it's a bit much.
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It seems to come out to about 13 million per year in the first two years of the contract, which is basically what Oakland would have paid Asomugha if they had franchised him for the 2009 and 2010 seasons. And while the point of a long term contract is to avoid yearly cap hits like the franchise tag (and, of course, Oakland failed to really severely lessen Asomugha's 2009 cap hit through this contract as some expected they would try to do), this seems like a decent negotiation for both parties.

Asomugha gets the security he's been looking for (25+ million guaranteed in a two year contract is unheard of) and Al basically gets to lock up his best player in year after year of exclusive franchise tags without having to go through the song and dance every year.
How were they supposed to lessen the cap hit? It's in essence a two year deal. Did you want the cap hit to be 8 million this year, and 20 million next?
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How were they supposed to lessen the cap hit? It's in essence a two year deal. Did you want the cap hit to be 8 million this year, and 20 million next?
No, I just meant that often the advantage to signing a player to the long term who might have otherwise gotten the franchise tag is freeing up a lot of cap space in the first or first two years. I don't think any would have predicted a 3 year contract for Nnamdi a couple days ago.
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Wow, looks like Chris Gamble was a bargain. Its a decent move by the raiders but it seems to me he decided to jack his price up through the roof in the hopes of them allowing him to hit the streets and ol' al davis agreed to an exorbitant amount.
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According to the transactions on raiders.com, we have released SS Gibril Wilson. Its wierd though. When you first go to transactions it doesnt say he was, but when you click 2009 again it says he was
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Wilson got cut wow thought he did good must be cap space hmmmm
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People around nfl not happy with Raiders.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/aro...urn=nfl,142741

"How many different ways can you say, 'What were they thinking?' " a team executive who declined to be identified said after being told the terms of Asomugha's three-year, $45 million contract.

"Insanity, stupidity, whatever you want to attach to it. Yeah, the kid is the best cornerback in the league. They paid for quality. I'll give them that. But that deal wrecks the league. Absolutely wrecks it. I'm sure Al doesn't care, but it's deals like that that change the league for the worse."

"And still hit free agency at the right time for one more big contract, assuming he's healthy," a second team executive said, shaking his head.

"You can argue that Haynesworth is a defensive tackle or that he's a bad guy," said a third team executive. "But if a cornerback gets what the Raiders just paid, a defensive tackle like Haynesworth is going to get a serious pay day as well."
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I think part of the problem is that he wasn't happy with Oakland. He was pretty vocal in the last half of the season about it too. I think Cable wants to have people who are on board and will go all out. Wilson wasn't there, neither were Curry nor Edwards.
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People around nfl not happy with Raiders.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/aro...urn=nfl,142741

"How many different ways can you say, 'What were they thinking?' " a team executive who declined to be identified said after being told the terms of Asomugha's three-year, $45 million contract.

"Insanity, stupidity, whatever you want to attach to it. Yeah, the kid is the best cornerback in the league. They paid for quality. I'll give them that. But that deal wrecks the league. Absolutely wrecks it. I'm sure Al doesn't care, but it's deals like that that change the league for the worse."

"And still hit free agency at the right time for one more big contract, assuming he's healthy," a second team executive said, shaking his head.

"You can argue that Haynesworth is a defensive tackle or that he's a bad guy," said a third team executive. "But if a cornerback gets what the Raiders just paid, a defensive tackle like Haynesworth is going to get a serious pay day as well."
Sounds about right. These contracts always drive up the price of players. It's a good day to be Albert Haynesworth.
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I think part of the problem is that he wasn't happy with Oakland. He was pretty vocal in the last half of the season about it too. I think Cable wants to have people who are on board and will go all out. Wilson wasn't there, neither were Curry nor Edwards.
hmm I wonder how happy this makes Nnamdi right now
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Good signing for Oakland. Certainly expensive, but he is the best cornerback in the league.
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Where The Hell Do The Raiders Keep Getting All Of This Money For These Massive Contracts??????
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Sounds about right. These contracts always drive up the price of players. It's a good day to be Albert Haynesworth.
... And Demarcus Ware. Has James Harrison signed his new deal yet? Yeah I'm betting he's sitting there rubbing his hands together.

The league is going to need an uncapped year just to cover all of this silly contracts.

Should the NFL install the NBA model for contract negotiations? At this point. The question really has to be asked.
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... And Demarcus Ware. Has James Harrison signed his new deal yet? Yeah I'm betting he's sitting there rubbing his hands together.

The league is going to need an uncapped year just to cover all of this silly contracts.

Should the NFL install the NBA model for contract negotiations? At this point. The question really has to be asked.
Every year, it's the same story. Every year we cry about salary regulations, rookie contracts and all that. Nothing ever changes.

It's funny though, the USA is falling apart financially and economically and at the same time the NFL just keeps spending more and more cash.
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Every year, it's the same story. Every year we cry about salary regulations, rookie contracts and all that. Nothing ever changes.

It's funny though, the USA is falling apart financially and economically and at the same time the NFL just keeps spending more and more cash.
That's because Gene Upshaw had a hard on to extract as much money as possible from ownership as possible. I'm definately in favour of a graded paying scale... But getting the players to agree to it is another thing as it would probably mean the end of 15Mill a season contracts for at least 4-5 years.(at which point the NFL will be generating the cash to sustain such contracts)... I really do think that player wages are increasing faster then the salary cap is.
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That's because Gene Upshaw had a hard on to extract as much money as possible from ownership as possible. I'm definately in favour of a graded paying scale... But getting the players to agree to it is another thing as it would probably mean the end of 15Mill a season contracts for at least 4-5 years.(at which point the NFL will be generating the cash to sustain such contracts)... I really do think that player wages are increasing faster then the salary cap is.
they'll just raise the cap more. Either that or the NFL will self-destruct because of Gene Upshaw's hardon and greedy agents.
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... And Demarcus Ware.
DeMarcus Ware (at the point where he signs his contract) was gonna be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL regardless, i can guarantee you that much.

All the execs bitching about the Raiders giving that much money to Asomugha, you know what? Tough _(expletive)_. What the Raiders do, is up to the Raiders, and that's it. If you don't wanna pay Albert Haynesworth 35 million guaranteed, then don't! If someone else is willing to do that for him, then congratulate him and wish him luck. I hate these jerk-offs that get upset that another guy got paid, just cause it might drive up the price on another guy they'd want. If enough teams said no to giving Haynesworth that much money, he would have no leverage and would be forced to drive down his asking price (See MLB off-season 09, Manny Ramirez).
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