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Old 02-27-2009, 08:34 AM    (permalink
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"Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason, according to a source with knowledge of the situation."

"Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said."

Just freaking great start a line to your left if you want out...
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It is KC what do you expect.
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:42 AM    (permalink
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"According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said."

Just wow.
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well, the lions didnt
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Haha I love that quote from Haley.


I wish Spagnuolo would say crap like that :(
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strike one on the Pioli/Haley combo
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I would want out of town too. We have one of the cheapest owners in the NFL, completely unwilling to dish out free agent money. This team is going to be in the gutter for the next decade.
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Haley is awesome. He is honest. The team sucked.
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I don't understand how Piloi can have no interest in telling the teams possible leader what the direction the team is going.

He should at least tell him if they are moving on without him or not...I can't stand when GMs or VP of Operations do this kind of stuff, it just boils more water in the pot.
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sounds like haley's a real winner. countdown to him being fired halfway through the season when your entire team revolts against him?
Reminds me of Saban. Saban was an arrogant SOB too who talked AT his players.
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"According to the source, Waters flew to Kansas City specifically to meet with Haley and Pioli and hear their plan for the direction of the organization. Pioli declined to meet with Waters, saying they had nothing to discuss, the source said. And Haley began his hallway conversation with Waters by proclaiming that 22 players off the street could win two games, the source said."

Just wow.
If I were a player who wanted off of a pro team and the coach said that, my reply would be "then why don't you trade me and stick one of them at guard?"

LJ wants out, Gonzalez wants out, Brian Waters wants out, I'm noticing a trend here.
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How can this be spun as a good thing? You shouldn't treat players like that unless they are real problems, no your leader.

They have failed in the first part of getting the players to buy in. Nothing says we care about you guys like treating Waters like crap. Haley needs to find a balance soon, cause his attitude doesn't work often with a rebuilding team. Don't get me wrong, you can be a hard ass, but you must have the leaders on your side.
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Well Haley said the last person he has to worry about is Branden Albert. High praise of one player..its a start lol
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Yep, the team if full of cry-babies who were pampered by Vermeil and Herm. LJ and Gonzo did all their complaining before Haley was even hired.
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Yep, the team if full of cry-babies who were pampered by Vermeil and Herm. LJ and Gonzo did all their complaining before Haley was even hired.
Ya wanting a sit down to talk face to face with your HC and GM is way to much to ask what a big baby...
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The Chiefs have traditionally gone with the same model the Steelers use. Sign your own, get your homework done on the draft, then worry about free agents if you have any holes left on your roster. It's a great philosophy that works.

Unfortunately, Carl drafted like dog ****, made terrible moves in the draft (e.g. not taking New Orleans' offer to move back to 10 last year), and has chosen to re-sign the wrong guys at the completely wrong times (e.g. giving LJ a giant contract instead of trading him two years ago).

The Chiefs are going from a complete player's coach to a team coach. There's going to be guys who want to leave, and there's going to be guys who previously wanted out, but now want to stay. It's only natural.

A lot of players, like Waters, are used to a hands-on personnel guy like Carl Peterson. Pioli is very hands-off (as far as dealing with players already under contract goes). That's Haley's job, and they work closely together. Players aren't going to be able to be in contact with Pioli like they were with Peterson. Especially not during the draft evaluation and free agency period...

I love Waters, but if he doesn't want to be a team leader and help get the rest of the team on board with H&P through this change, he needs to go.
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This whole trend of veteran players feeling "disrespected" by new coaches has run its course with me..... annoying.

Shut up and play.
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I love Waters, but if he doesn't want to be a team leader and help get the rest of the team on board with H&P through this change, he needs to go.
And replace him with who?

I guess we are going to draft seven starters this year give me break.

I'm all for the team first stuff but that doesn't mean you blow players off like this the whole thing was not handled well at all.
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Ya wanting a sit down to talk face to face with your HC and GM is way to much to ask what a big baby...
We have no idea what really happened. Are we supposed to believe that Haley walked up to a player in the hallway and said that 22 players off the street can win 2 games without provocation? We have one report, from Jason Whitlock of all people, with some information from Waters.

Besides, it's a new organization. Players don't have the right to show up unannounced wanting a personal meeting with the GM to discuss the direction of the team.

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Just wow.
There is nothing wrong with that. He telling his players a bunch of random players can win 2 games, but it takes a team to win a championchip. I love his attuide.
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I think it's funny that someone's defending an offensive guard who hasn't won anything over new leadership that has 3 rings to its name.

Waters wants to mee with Pioli...that's not how it works. Haley is in charge of the players, that's who Waters needs to talk to.

I love the idiot Chiefs fans (not all Chiefs fans, just the idiot ones) calling for Haley and Pioli's heads as if they're ruining their precious 2-win team. Give me a break... Who are the going to replace Waters with? Does it matter? They couldn't block anyone last year anyway. They've got one of the best OL coaches in football, with plenty of resources to find an offensive ******* guard.

The Patriots won all but one of their Super Bowls with one of the worst lines in the NFL (Brandon Gorin, people, Brandon Gorin), the Cardinals almost won the Super Bowl with one of the worst lines in the NFL... They're not worried about Brian Waters...
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I would want out of town too. We have one of the cheapest owners in the NFL, completely unwilling to dish out free agent money. This team is going to be in the gutter for the next decade.
wow you could not be more wrong.how do you know for sure Clark is not willing to spend $$ to improve the team?simple you DON'T
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How do you know for sure Clark is not willing to spend $$ to improve the team?
Maybe because he hasn't since he took over as owner?
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Ya, he didn't spend big bucks on the guy in your avatar/sig...

You do realize Carl Peterson had open access to the Hunt bank account, right? The only decision about the Chiefs not made by Peterson was Peterson getting canned, and the only decision Hunt's made since then is to sign Pioli to take over making decisions. The Hunts spend as much money as the GM needs them to spend. This isn't baseball...
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