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Old 02-28-2009, 12:42 PM    (permalink
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Mike Reiss of the Boston Herald says that the paperwork has been filed with the league.

Peter King also says it's done. Cassel and Vrabel for our 2nd rounder.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...l/?eref=sircrc
That moron King might know, considering he lives on the inside rim of the Patriots' collective asshole.

If all the Chiefs had to give up was their 2nd round pick, for both Cassel and Vrabel, that's not too bad.
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i dont really see them taking curry or crabtree.

maybe a tackle
A RT at #3? Not likely.
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i dont really see them taking curry or crabtree.

maybe a tackle
I hope Pioli isn't stupid enough to take a RT with the 3rd pick in the draft. I think Curry is now the best option.
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A little part of me is pissed that the Lions didn't make this trade.

They obviously need a QB, so why not trade #20 for Cassel and then use #1 on someone else as so many people are screaming to do?

I still want Stafford, but if #20 and maybe one other pick would have been sufficient to get Cassel, I will really question the decision-making of Mayhew on this one.
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I think moving down would be the best option, for any team that wants to get ahead of Seattle and Jacksonville to assure themselves of getting Sanchez. I'd hate to see them taking a LB that high, so don't rule out Orakpo, or maybe even Crabs.
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I can live with that, that gives us three second rounders. I will continue to pull for Cassel and Vrabel, they were big parts of our team. Vrabel was a mainstay in our defense since the moment he got here and Cassel played extremely well for us last year when the season looked to be lost.
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I don't love the move, but thankfully we didn't do something stupid like give up our 1st rounder.

A 2nd round for Cassel is good value if he can continue to play like he did last season. Of course, we're going to have to get him some more weapons.

Now I'm really interested to see what the f#ck we do with the #3 pick - I could have sworn we would take Sanchez.
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Curry is the bigger need and the better player IMO, but Crabtree wouldn't shock me since Haley had so much success with multiple recievers in Arizona, and Crabtree with Bowe would potentially be an elite pair.
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I'd love to trade for Bolden (Pipe Dream) and then trade down from #3 and nab Everette Brown later.
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I think moving down would be the best option, for any team that wants to get ahead of Seattle and Jacksonville to assure themselves of getting Sanchez. I'd hate to see them taking a LB that high, so don't rule out Orakpo, or maybe even Crabs.
I agree that #3 is a bit of a reach for a non-pass rushing linebacker like Curry. But since we don't need a LT or QB now, anyone else we take there is going to be a reach. I don't know if a trade down is really possible, the 3rd pick in the draft is really hard to trade.
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If they want Curry (which they should, he's the best pick), they have to do it at #3. He won't be there later than that. No one wants to get in front of Seattle because no one knows what Seattle's going to do (aside from NOT pick Curry).
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I agree that #3 is a bit of a reach for a non-pass rushing linebacker like Curry. But since we don't need a LT or QB now, anyone else we take there is going to be a reach. I don't know if a trade down is really possible, the 3rd pick in the draft is really hard to trade.
Like i said, there may be a team that wants to leap frog Seattle to assure themselves of getting Sanchez. They don't have to follow the stupid draft chart to get value, if they move down 5 or 6 spots and pick up a 3rd in the process, call it a deal and move down. Save yourself money, pick up an extra pick and you get better value for the player you want.
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A little part of me is pissed that the Lions didn't make this trade.

They obviously need a QB, so why not trade #20 for Cassel and then use #1 on someone else as so many people are screaming to do?
I'm not sure I'd like for my franchise QB to be 30 when the team finally turned around.
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I agree that #3 is a bit of a reach for a non-pass rushing linebacker like Curry. But since we don't need a LT or QB now, anyone else we take there is going to be a reach. I don't know if a trade down is really possible, the 3rd pick in the draft is really hard to trade.
I've talked about this on Chiefs Planet before, but what about Everette Brown at #3? Even with Vrabel, the 3-4 is not going to work unless we have a dominant edge rusher.

I just don't think a 3-4 ILB is a great choice for a top 3 pick.
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I'm not sure I'd like for my franchise QB to be 30 when the team finally turned around.
What the hell does it matter. Quarterbacks have a longer career span than pretty much any other position, so if he can play, he can play.
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I've talked about this on Chiefs Planet before, but what about Everette Brown at #3? Even with Vrabel, the 3-4 is not going to work unless we have a dominant edge rusher.

I just don't think a 3-4 ILB is a great choice for a top 3 pick.
I really want Everette Brown, but I'd rather trade down first.
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I've talked about this on Chiefs Planet before, but what about Everette Brown at #3? Even with Vrabel, the 3-4 is not going to work unless we have a dominant edge rusher.

I just don't think a 3-4 ILB is a great choice for a top 3 pick.
Everette Brown would be a horrible reach.
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Definitely, but I'm going with the assumption that we couldn't. Trading down would be ideal no matter what though.
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What the hell does it matter. Quarterbacks have a longer career span than pretty much any other position, so if he can play, he can play.
Either way, if both pan out, he likely has 6 less years or so than Stafford, and less potential.
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I think an important aspect of this trade, is the fact that the pats have just cleared up 17 million in cap space.

I don't mind the early 2nd, i think its fair value, and I'd expect a conditional pick next year or a 4th-5th this year to be involved somewhere.

Either way, I'll take it for the free agents we could try and get in now, and the flexibility it gives us on draft day. We will have our first, 3 seconds, and 2 thirds (once we get our compensatory from Samuel).

All in all, it looks good.
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Either way, if both pan out, he likely has 6 less years or so than Stafford, and less potential.
And you wouldn't be risking half as much as you would with Stafford, so pick your poison.
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What the hell does it matter. Quarterbacks have a longer career span than pretty much any other position, so if he can play, he can play.
Especially since he's 26, and has played 1 full year in his last 8.
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Everette Brown would be a horrible reach.
Pretty much anything is a reach at this point, whether it's reaching for an individual player or a reach based on value.

If KC stays at 3, they basically will have to take a very good right tackle or inside LB, or reach for a player at a premium position like OLB or DT, even though the individual players may not warrant being picked that high.
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I think an important aspect of this trade, is the fact that the pats have just cleared up 17 million in cap space.

I don't mind the early 2nd, i think its fair value, and I'd expect a conditional pick next year or a 4th-5th this year to be involved somewhere.

Either way, I'll take it for the free agents we could try and get in now, and the flexibility it gives us on draft day. We will have our first, 3 seconds, and 2 thirds (once we get our compensatory from Samuel).

All in all, it looks good.
Not really. They haven't cleared anything because the 17 million never went against the cap.
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That moron King might know, considering he lives on the inside rim of the Patriots' collective asshole.

If all the Chiefs had to give up was their 2nd round pick, for both Cassel and Vrabel, that's not too bad.
If it's a second round pick, I say New England got pretty ripped off. Great deal for Kansas City. I would expect a 2 and a 2 or 3 next year, but really I'd be looking for first-round value here, especially if Vrabel is included in the deal. However, this does end up freeing up ~$18 million in cap room that would allow New England to improve the rest of their roster. I expect New England to sign Leigh Bodden soon - he's a good fit.
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