Chiefs Get Cassel - Page 4

MetSox17 · 02-28-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Pretty much anything is a reach at this point, whether it's reaching for an individual player or a reach based on value.

If KC stays at 3, they basically will have to take a very good right tackle or inside LB, or reach for a player at a premium position like OLB or DT, even though the individual players may not warrant being picked that high.

Everette Brown isn't even the best prospect at his position, and taking him at #3 would be ludicrous.

nepg · 02-28-2009, 12:55 PM

I don't see how Cassel has less potential than Stafford... He's a better athlete and a much harder worker.
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vidae · 02-28-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

What the hell does it matter. Quarterbacks have a longer career span than pretty much any other position, so if he can play, he can play.

Is this a joke? What does it matter? It matters. QBs don't play until they're 40 (not all of them anyway..) and our 2nd is basically a low 1st. There is still a lot of talent there.

Obviously I'm not a fan of this move as I think Cassel is a decent QB but won't ever be a franchise type QB. I think Stafford and Sanchez both have a lot more upside.

IF Stafford is there at 3 (which by all accounts he won't be) I think I'll be even more pissed about this.

I really hope he proves me wrong. I'd love to eat crow on this one, I just don't think I ever will.

MetSox17 · 02-28-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

If it's a second round pick, I say New England got pretty ripped off. Great deal for Kansas City. I would expect a 2 and a 2 or 3 next year, but really I'd be looking for first-round value here, especially if Vrabel is included in the deal. However, this does end up freeing up ~$18 million in cap room that would allow New England to improve the rest of their roster. I expect New England to sign Leigh Bodden soon - he's a good fit.

Like i said before, how does this "free" up cap space? The 17 million of the franchise tag never even went against the cap. I'm sure they were making plans as if those 17 were never gonna get there because they were obviously actively looking for a trade partner.

T-RICH49 · 02-28-2009, 12:56 PM

I like it for the fact it did'nt cost us the 3rd pick.man which Patriot is Pioli going to trade for next?

bearsfan_51 · 02-28-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I don't see how Cassel has less potential than Stafford... He's a better athlete and a much harder worker.

Because Stafford throws the ball much better than Cassel, which, last time I checked, is important for the position.

adschofield · 02-28-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I don't see how Cassel has less potential than Stafford... He's a better athlete and a much harder worker.

Whoa..Easy their Chief..Stafford has an almost uncapped potential...Cassel is good and is far less riskier, but Stafford has a higher ceiling.

PalmerToCJ · 02-28-2009, 12:57 PM

If it does end up being a 2nd and conditional mid-late round pick next year that sounds like a good deal to me.

While I'm not sure I think Cassel will be all that productive, the same can be said about any 2nd round QB you draft and at least Cassel has proven he can be successful in the right situation. Good trade by the Chiefs if it works out.

eazyb81 · 02-28-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Everette Brown isn't even the best prospect at his position, and taking him at #3 would be ludicrous.

Disagree and you missed my point entirely.

T-RICH49 · 02-28-2009, 12:58 PM

as long as we improve the OL and keep TG to go with Bowe Cassel will have some weapons to work with

adschofield · 02-28-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae-KC

Is this a joke? What does it matter? It matters. QBs don't play until they're 40 (not all of them anyway..) and our 2nd is basically a low 1st. There is still a lot of talent there.

Obviously I'm not a fan of this move as I think Cassel is a decent QB but won't ever be a franchise type QB. I think Stafford and Sanchez both have a lot more upside.

IF Stafford is there at 3 (which by all accounts he won't be) I think I'll be even more pissed about this.

But Cassel is far less riskier and the acquisition allows us to address another need at #3.

MetSox17 · 02-28-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae-KC

Is this a joke? What does it matter? It matters. QBs don't play until they're 40 (not all of them anyway..) and our 2nd is basically a low 1st. There is still a lot of talent there.

Obviously I'm not a fan of this move as I think Cassel is a decent QB but won't ever be a franchise type QB. I think Stafford and Sanchez both have a lot more upside.

IF Stafford is there at 3 (which by all accounts he won't be) I think I'll be even more pissed about this.

Matt Cassel was one of the best 5 AFC quarterbacks last season, and all you gave up for him was the 35th pick in the draft. You're kidding yourself if you think that at 35 you were gonna find someone that can step in right away and lead your team to a winning record (which Cassel is very capable of doing). You're most likely not gonna give him the type of money you would have given a quarterback at #3 (See Matt Ryan), and you're not risking bust potential as high as any incoming rookie QB.

BradysKnee · 02-28-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Like i said before, how does this "free" up cap space? The 17 million of the franchise tag never even went against the cap. I'm sure they were making plans as if those 17 were never gonna get there because they were obviously actively looking for a trade partner.

It allows them to spend money they couldn't have before the trade, what are you talking about? Vrabel frees up 3 mil as well.

Matthew Jones · 02-28-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Like i said before, how does this "free" up cap space? The 17 million of the franchise tag never even went against the cap. I'm sure they were making plans as if those 17 were never gonna get there because they were obviously actively looking for a trade partner.

It frees $3.3 to trade Vrabel, and Cassel would have counted for ~$14.5 had New England not been able to find a trade partner for him. Because Cassel signed the franchise tender, New England had to go into that knowing they could potentially have $29 million or so dedicated to the QB position between Brady and Cassel and that handicaps what you can do - you don't want to go after a guy like DeAngelo Hall for $40-50 million knowing you might end up being way over the cap after Cassel's number goes into effect.

Splat · 02-28-2009, 01:00 PM

So is it for sure both players for our 2nd or what?

If so I like it stay away from our first round pick.

T-RICH49 · 02-28-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Matt Cassel was one of the best 5 AFC quarterbacks last season, and all you gave up for him was the 35th pick in the draft. You're kidding yourself if you think that at 35 you were gonna find someone that can step in right away and lead your team to a winning record (which Cassel is very capable of doing). You're most likely not gonna give him the type of money you would have given a quarterback at #3 (See Matt Ryan), and you're not risking bust potential as high as any incoming rookie QB.

agreed.and you'd have to think Pioli saw him enough in New England that he knew weather he was a franchise type QB

MetSox17 · 02-28-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Because Stafford throws the ball much better than Cassel, which, last time I checked, is important for the position.

You mean his erratic passing in the SEC has led you to believe he throws the ball "much better" than a guy that did it for 16 games in the National Football League? That's ridiculous. Just say "Stafford has a stronger arm, and i like that" and cut the BS.

Babylon · 02-28-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I don't see how Cassel has less potential than Stafford... He's a better athlete and a much harder worker.

I dont think Cassel is a better athlete than Stafford and you dont know how hard Stafford works. Add to it that Cassel doesnt have near the arm that Stafford does either.

As for Cassel to KC it is probably a good move by KC if it doesnt include giving up that #3 pick.

eazyb81 · 02-28-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat420

So is it for sure both players for our 2nd or what?

If so I like it stay away from our first round pick.

Peter King is reporting that it's Cassel and Vrabel for only the 2nd round pick. No other picks are involved.

T-RICH49 · 02-28-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

I dont think Cassel is a better athlete than Stafford and you dont know how hard Stafford works. Add to it that Cassel doesnt have near the arm that Stafford does either.

As for Cassel to KC it is probably a good move by KC if it doesnt include giving up that #3 pick.

appearantly it's just a 2nd round pick not our 1st

Splat · 02-28-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

As for Cassel to KC it is probably a good move by KC if it doesnt include giving up that #3 pick.

Agreed......

vidae · 02-28-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

You mean his erratic passing in the SEC has led you to believe he throws the ball "much better" than a guy that did it for 16 games in the National Football League? That's ridiculous. Just say "Stafford has a stronger arm, and i like that" and cut the BS.

You want to cut the BS? Fine, lets do it.

Show me a team stacked more than the Patriots. One of the best OL in the game, Randy Moss, Wes Welker? Give ME a break. Our offensive line was one of the worst, Bowe is solid but had the drops last year, and Tony is done in a few years. We don't have the weapons to help him like he had in NE and we damn sure don't have the defense to keep games close.

And no, I don't expect someone to be there at 35 to help lead this team, but I expected someone to be there at 3, and unless it went Stafford 1 and Sanchez 2, there was a chance we could have drafted a QB with a hell of a lot more potential than Cassel.

adschofield · 02-28-2009, 01:04 PM

Culpepper was traded for a 2nd
Schaub was traded for 2 2nd's
And Cassel and Vrabel were traded for a 2nd

I'm liking the trade more and more...

Babylon · 02-28-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

You mean his erratic passing in the SEC has led you to believe he throws the ball "much better" than a guy that did it for 16 games in the National Football League? That's ridiculous. Just say "Stafford has a stronger arm, and i like that" and cut the BS.

I thought we established that 61% passing in the SEC with guys landing on your knees on just about every play is equal to about 80% in the 7 on 7 league they call the Big-12.

adschofield · 02-28-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae-KC

You want to cut the BS? Fine, lets do it.

Show me a team stacked more than the Patriots. One of the best OL in the game, Randy Moss, Wes Welker? Give ME a break. Our offensive line was one of the worst, Bowe is solid but had the drops last year, and Tony is done in a few years. We don't have the weapons to help him like he had in NE and we damn sure don't have the defense to keep games close.

And no, I don't expect someone to be there at 35 to help lead this team, but I expected someone to be there at 3, and unless it went Stafford 1 and Sanchez 2, there was a chance we could have drafted a QB with a hell of a lot more potential than Cassel.

Honestly, the potential of Cassel and Sanchez are comparable...Cassel will be cheaper, less riskier, and will allow us to address another need.