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Cassel's the better athlete, and Stafford might have a stronger arm, but Cassel showed a damn good all-around NFL arm.
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You want to cut the BS? Fine, lets do it.

Show me a team stacked more than the Patriots. One of the best OL in the game, Randy Moss, Wes Welker? Give ME a break. Our offensive line was one of the worst, Bowe is solid but had the drops last year, and Tony is done in a few years. We don't have the weapons to help him like he had in NE and we damn sure don't have the defense to keep games close.

And no, I don't expect someone to be there at 35 to help lead this team, but I expected someone to be there at 3, and unless it went Stafford 1 and Sanchez 2, there was a chance we could have drafted a QB with a hell of a lot more potential than Cassel.

I thought you wanted Curry at #3?
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A little part of me is pissed that the Lions didn't make this trade.

They obviously need a QB, so why not trade #20 for Cassel and then use #1 on someone else as so many people are screaming to do?

I still want Stafford, but if #20 and maybe one other pick would have been sufficient to get Cassel, I will really question the decision-making of Mayhew on this one.
In the end, I think Stafford will have been better than Cassel. I think Stafford will be a "franchise" guy.
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And no, I don't expect someone to be there at 35 to help lead this team, but I expected someone to be there at 3, and unless it went Stafford 1 and Sanchez 2, there was a chance we could have drafted a QB with a hell of a lot more potential than Cassel.
I can definitely understand a KC fan having that viewpoint.
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Culpepper was traded for a 2nd
Schaub was traded for 2 2nd's
And Cassel and Vrabel were traded for a 2nd

I'm liking the trade more and more...
I think its a great trade for KC, good value, the chiefs had the pats balls in a vicegrip though i think, as they really didn't want to carry cassell's cap number.

That said, I am not really disappointed, hopefully it nets us a productive player, some FAs and resign Wilfork Mankins and Co.
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Just a second rounder? That's it? For both players?
I thought they'd be able to get more picks if it didn't involve a 1st rounder.
I hope when it all comes out officially that at least a '10 conditional is added along with it
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appearantly it's just a 2nd round pick not our 1st

What amounts to what the 35th pick is probably not bad for the Pats either, i was never as crazy about Cassel as others. To me he folds a little too easy under pressure, which he'll see more of in KC. Brady must be healthy, hope he doesnt overdo it on his honeymoon.:)
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You want to cut the BS? Fine, lets do it.

Show me a team stacked more than the Patriots. One of the best OL in the game, Randy Moss, Wes Welker? Give ME a break. Our offensive line was one of the worst, Bowe is solid but had the drops last year, and Tony is done in a few years. We don't have the weapons to help him like he had in NE and we damn sure don't have the defense to keep games close.

And no, I don't expect someone to be there at 35 to help lead this team, but I expected someone to be there at 3, and unless it went Stafford 1 and Sanchez 2, there was a chance we could have drafted a QB with a hell of a lot more potential than Cassel.
The Patriots' offensive line is terribly overrated. I hate the Randy Moss argument, when Randy wasn't the one throwing the ball to himself. That's as weak an argument you can make against a player, and the fact that you've resorted to using it is laughable. He makes very good throws, he has shown to work well under pressure and is an accurate passer and a good decision maker. You're pretty much guaranteeing yourself that by getting him. Stafford or Sanchez can come in with their rocket arms and stick it up all their careers, but you wouldn't know right now because they've yet to step foot on an NFL field, compared to a guy whose performance warranted Pro-Bowl consideration.
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Just a second rounder? That's it? For both players?
I thought they'd be able to get more picks if it didn't involve a 1st rounder.
I hope when it all comes out officially that at least a '10 conditional is added along with it
Our second rounder is the second pick in the second round. That's a damn good pick. If it was late second I could maybe agree with you, but the Pats are practically sniffing the first round with that.
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terrible moveo n the part of the chiefs..Cassell is clearly overrated, he had a solid season with great weapons, and he has problems throwing deep balls..Cassell is not a long term answer, he's not even on the level of a guy like Matt Schaub. To waste a pick on that fool and then compensate him for what will surely be average play is foolish.
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Our second rounder is the second pick in the second round. That's a damn good pick. If it was late second I could maybe agree with you, but the Pats are practically sniffing the first round with that.
Would you trade Michael Johnson (Scott's pick for us in the 2nd) for Cassel and Vrabel?
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Cassel's the better athlete, and Stafford might have a stronger arm, but Cassel showed a damn good all-around NFL arm.
He did show well but Stafford is a thoroughbred and that isnt a knock on Cassel. The real debate should be Cassel vs. Sanchez because Stafford is basically the property of Detroit.
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You want to cut the BS? Fine, lets do it.

Show me a team stacked more than the Patriots. One of the best OL in the game, Randy Moss, Wes Welker? Give ME a break. Our offensive line was one of the worst, Bowe is solid but had the drops last year, and Tony is done in a few years. We don't have the weapons to help him like he had in NE and we damn sure don't have the defense to keep games close.

And no, I don't expect someone to be there at 35 to help lead this team, but I expected someone to be there at 3, and unless it went Stafford 1 and Sanchez 2, there was a chance we could have drafted a QB with a hell of a lot more potential than Cassel.
The Patriots were stacked last year? How? The OL played like crap, they ONLY had Moss and Welker, and the only part of the defense that was better than the Chiefs' was their defensive line. The Pats would've killed to have the Chiefs' secondary...

Bowe & Gonzo isn't far off from Moss & Welker, the Chiefs need a couple tweaks along the OL (keep in mind the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl with far worse talent along at OL), and another receiving option to go along with Gonzo, Bowe, and Bradley...and they'll be in amazing shape.

Defensively, I'm sure Pioli's working hard to figure out how to get their DL to a high level quickly, but his first priority was obviously these trades with New England. We'll see how hard of a push they make for Canty and/or Olshansky (also throw Mike Wright into the mix).

The Chiefs are shaping up.
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Our second rounder is the second pick in the second round. That's a damn good pick. If it was late second I could maybe agree with you, but the Pats are practically sniffing the first round with that.
Good point, you're probably going to have your pick of some really good players like: Alex Mack, Duke Robinson, Kenny Britt, Clay Matthews, Connor Barwin and on and on.
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If the Chiefs get Cassel for the 35th pick in the draft, I think it is the best value trade since the Patriots got Randy Moss from the Raiders for a 4th rounder. I think it is a steal. Pioli is proving that he is the best in the business.
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Would you trade Michael Johnson (Scott's pick for us in the 2nd) for Cassel and Vrabel?
No, cause that would give him the opportunity to take Sanchez at 3!!!!!111111

Here's pretty much the trade off:

Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel, Aaron Curry

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He did show well but Stafford is a thoroughbred and that isnt a knock on Cassel. The real debate should be Cassel vs. Sanchez because Stafford is basically the property of Detroit.
Exactly. I don't know why Stafford is even being discussed, he's going to Detroit.
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Would you trade Michael Johnson (Scott's pick for us in the 2nd) for Cassel and Vrabel?
I think it's a great move by KC without bringing that malcontent into the discussion.
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Exactly. I don't know why Stafford is even being discussed, he's going to Detroit.

Because every thread has to morph into Matthew Stafford i guess.
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I think a Chiefs-Pats trade was always going to be a friendly discount in the Chiefs' favor. The Patriots want to see Pioli do well, and he'll return the favor down the line.
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I'm sure we could've gotten that same 2nd round pick without adding in Vrabel
What was the point of that? Salary dump?

We better pick up a pass rushing OLB with our 1st round pick
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Radio in KC is saying it is for sure Cassel and Vrable for the Chiefs 2nd and that is it.

Great move.
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What was the point of that? Salary dump?

We better pick up a pass rushing OLB with our 1st round pick
The point was that the Pats chose where he went, and the Chiefs wanted him anyway. They picked up Tully, and can now sign Woods to a long-term deal. I don't see them messing with OLB. WR, RT, and S are the biggest problem areas for the Pats.
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I think a Chiefs-Pats trade was always going to be a friendly discount in the Chiefs' favor. The Patriots want to see Pioli do well, and he'll return the favor down the line.
Why the hell would the Patriots want to see Pioli do well? If they were in that great of terms, he wouldn't have left the (arguably)best franchise in the NFL at the moment, for a team notorious for picking in the top ten of the NFL draft. If you're not part of the Patriots, chances are, they hate you.
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