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While I agree that they'll most likely make it to the pros, I feel that Byron Moore and "Loni" Fanpugo will (could) end up being drafted before TJ McDonald and Devon Kennard.
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Eric Shrive OT
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For NCSU:

TE Asa Watson - Beast in the passing game. Great hands, great frame, needs to get a LOT bigger though. More of a big WR right now than anything.

OG Denzelle Good - Absolute mauler in the running game. Needs to work on his footwork in the passing game, but great size at 6'6" 325lbs. VERY agile but relies too much on his athleticism sometimes.

CB Jarvis Byrd - An absolute ballhawk. Will fit in really well with a zone team. Needs to work on his timed speed but is adequate due to his body positioning and athleticism. Really understands how to put himself in the best position to break up or intercept the pass. Knows how to hit, but might suffer against the bigger backs due to size (5'10" 170).

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RB James Washington - lacks ideal size at 6' 180, but is a blazer! Kid just outruns everything. He'll put his head down and run you over but relies more on suttle movements to get you off-balence to go around you. Can't wait for this kid to show his stuff.
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Darrell Givens CB
I watched Hodges in person. I actually watched about 3 or 4 games of his. Maybe it was the games I was at but he was soft. Didn't want to run up and hit anyone and dogged it half the time. He was scared to hit And they're talking about moving him to LB too, which would worry me if I were a PSU fan. He's just got good size and speed, nothing else. No tenacity, no heart, minimal desire. Even the few scouts I talked to said they didn't know what the type was about. Classic case of looking like Tarzan and playing like Jane.

Trust me, the best player PSU got from Jersey was Shawney Kersey. The dude is a player. He punked Hodges and he had a concusion while doing it, and he's got as much heart as I've ever seen a high school player have.
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I have a sence of sour grapes. All kidding aside, Hodges will be a S at Penn State and quit possibly could start as a true frosh at SS. Obviously he isn't that soft and play with no heart if the coaches like him that much to have him play a lot and start at SS.

Kersey is a beast, and I am glad we got him.
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I have a sence of sour grapes. All kidding aside, Hodges will be a S at Penn State and quit possibly could start as a true frosh at SS. Obviously he isn't that soft and play with no heart if the coaches like him that much to have him play a lot and start at SS.

Kersey is a beast, and I am glad we got him.
If there was sour grapes I'd be dissing Kersey too, who was actually committed to RU longer than Hodges, then de-committed.

Well, to be serious, there is no piece of credible evidence that says the coaches think Hodges will be the opening day SS, and unless your backups completely blow, he wouldn't start for long. Kersey will be a stud though, I don't know much about your current receivers, but I think he can start as a true frosh.
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If there was sour grapes I'd be dissing Kersey too, who was actually committed to RU longer than Hodges, then de-committed.

Well, to be serious, there is no piece of credible evidence that says the coaches think Hodges will be the opening day SS, and unless your backups completely blow, he wouldn't start for long. Kersey will be a stud though, I don't know much about your current receivers, but I think he can start as a true frosh.
A lot of Penn State insiders believe he could start as a true frosh, or see a lot of time. One said that he is the most physically gifted player out there. One observer said that he compares him to Taylor Mays. I don't think he will have Taylor Mays potential though.

Kersey won't start as a true frosh. He will get time, but not start. Justin Brown will play more then Kersey IMO.
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A lot of Penn State insiders believe he could start as a true frosh, or see a lot of time. One said that he is the most physically gifted player out there. One observer said that he compares him to Taylor Mays. I don't think he will have Taylor Mays potential though.
That's the thing about Hodges. He's as gifted an athlete as I've ever seen. But he just doesn't have tenacity. Maybe being at Penn State rather than Pooboro will give him devine intervention, but from everything I've seen he doesn't have the tenacity you want in a player. Mays is actually a good comparison, and I'm not a fan of Mays to say the least.
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I will do three players for my other three favorite teams:

Arizona Wildcats

1. Adam Hall WR/S- I expect him to start as a True Frosh. He absolutely dominated the Arizona ranks and he looks the part to be a real solid college player.

2. Daniel Jenkins RB- I loved this kids film. He has moves and can outrun a lot of players. I believe this is a steal for the Wildcats.

3. Dewayne Peace WR- Originally a Michigan commit, he is another solid get for the Wildcats. I don't expect him to contribute his true frosh season, but he looks to be a very solid possession reciever at the college ranks. Runs real good routes, can make some people miss, and has good hands.


Arizona State Sundevils

1. Vontaze Burfict LB- The gem of this class. He will start at MLB from day 1 and will help ASU form one of the best defenses in the Pac 10.

2. Corey Adams DT- Another player who should start day 1. Has great size, speed, and can really play. Adams, Guy, Davis, Burfict, and Bolden is a great core of defenders to build around.

3. Matt Tucker S- I compare him to Troy Nolan who just graduated. He is a big safety who could contribute in a year or two, and be a solid college player.


Pittsburgh

1. Kolby Gray QB- Pittsburgh's quarterbacks suck. I think Gray might be the best one of the bunch and start for the Panthers.

2. Tyrone Ezell DE- A manbeast IMO. Has a lot of physical tools and I believe he has the best chance to get drafted in this draft class. I think he has the frame to kick it inside and play DT.

3. Todd Thomas WR- A lot of talent, but **** for brains. If he gets his grades in order, the Panthers have a scary WR tandem in Jonathon Baldwin and Todd Thomas.

Just missed from Pitt: Brock DeCicco TE/WR- I think he will be a WR in college.
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NFL prospects, assuming they progress as I expect:

1. Ray Ray Armstrong as DE: Top 10 pick pick;elite Will be an impact player at the college level and will put freakish numbers at the combine. Impact pass rush specialist at the next level.

2. Lamar Miller: First round pick Could compare to a Ronnie Brown at Auburn where he splits carries with another RB (either Mike James or Bryce Brown, or both), has a high YPC though and then at the combine will be put up a top 3 (for his year) 40 time combined with being a legit 215 pound back.

3. Brandon McGee as CB: First round-high 2nd round pick Prototypical size/speed for an NFL corner.
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Miller could get redshirted, and if he does he'll have a year to himself to shine as a Senior. We've sent backs to the NFL off 1 year of production before.
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1. Ray Ray Armstrong as DE: Top 10 pick pick;elite Will be an impact player at the college level and will put freakish numbers at the combine. Impact pass rush specialist at the next level.

2. Lamar Miller: First round pick Could compare to a Ronnie Brown at Auburn where he splits carries with another RB (either Mike James or Bryce Brown, or both), has a high YPC though and then at the combine will be put up a top 3 (for his year) 40 time combined with being a legit 215 pound back.

3. Brandon McGee as CB: First round-high 2nd round pick Prototypical size/speed for an NFL corner.
Atleast you're being modest.
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Two first rounders and one bubble guy from one class? Psshh that is modest for Miami!
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is it really?
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I like Brandon McGee a lot. He reminds me of Antrel Rolle.
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is it really?

Absolutely. The last 6-7 years don't count.
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Absolutely. The last 6-7 years don't count.
Why not?

have you seen the amount of talent we've put in the NFL the last 6-7 years?

Even with as bad a recruiter as Coker was we put out 1st round guys with consistency.

I'd be willing to bet we have average close to 2 1st rounders per year over the course of the last 10 years or so.
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Why not?

have you seen the amount of talent we've put in the NFL the last 6-7 years?

Even with as bad a recruiter as Coker was we put out 1st round guys with consistency.

I'd be willing to bet we have average close to 2 1st rounders per year over the course of the last 10 years or so.
The 2002 and 2003 classes both had two first rounders plus a fringe first round guy but you're right we probably do average about 2 first rounders a year for the last ten years. We need to get back to having classes like the 2001 class -

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemi d=2

Edit: Anyways I wouldn't say it's exactly modest but it's not far fetched either.
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The 2002 and 2003 classes both had two first rounders plus a fringe first round guy but you're right we probably do average about 2 first rounders a year for the last ten years. We need to get back to having classes like the 2001 class -

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Edit: Anyways I wouldn't say it's exactly modest but it's not far fetched either.

That's how feel, but at the same time, this new miami isn't the one of the last 10 years. The usual 1st rounders could be 2nd and 3rd rounders now, and this year and the next should be the marker as where the Canes are at for awhile. Luckily for the Canes southflorida is a hotbed for physical freaks and speedsters which should help continue Miami's draft dominance (only rivaled by OSU and USC).
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That's how feel, but at the same time, this new miami isn't the one of the last 10 years. The usual 1st rounders could be 2nd and 3rd rounders now
only for this coming draft and probably next years, but after that I full expect us to see us dominating the NFL draft once again. I wish this thread was called "Future NFL'ers from the 2008 class from your team" then you would see some real Miami arrogance show up lol.
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That's how feel, but at the same time, this new miami isn't the one of the last 10 years. The usual 1st rounders could be 2nd and 3rd rounders now, and this year and the next should be the marker as where the Canes are at for awhile. Luckily for the Canes southflorida is a hotbed for physical freaks and speedsters which should help continue Miami's draft dominance (only rivaled by OSU and USC).
Not sure what you mean by this new Miami isn't the one of the last 10 years. As in we aren't putting out the same NFL talent I assume?

Well you aren't exactly going out on a limb there considering the run we have will be nearly impossible to match by anyone. Nobody can rival us as far as the draft goes over the last 10-15 years (including USC and OSU, not a knock on them, just a testament to the dominance Miami had as far as producing NFL talent).

Just to put things in perspective. Over the last 10-15 years, Miami has:

1.)put the most players in the NFL
2.)put the most players in the Pro Bowl
3.)broken the record for most 1st rounders in 1 year
4.)broken the record for consecutive years with 1st rounders

Miami has set records in the draft that are pretty unheard of.

Anyone trying to talk down Miami for not producing the same NFL talent needs to take a step back and just see that the level of talent coming out is something that might never be repeated by any school for a long, long time.

Miami obviously will be lucky if they have 2 players even drafted this year, but there is some talent in the pipeline with guys like Jason Fox, Craig Cooper, Orlando Franklin, Allen Bailey and Colin McCarthy. Certainly not sure fire 1st rounders but certain solid players that should fall in the 2-4 round range within the next year or 2. (Plus there should be a few low round guys mixed in there as well.)

Not bad for a team that player the most freshmen in the country last year and who's biggest talent base is still at least 3 years away from going Pro.
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Not sure what you mean by this new Miami isn't the one of the last 10 years. As in we aren't putting out the same NFL talent I assume?

Well you aren't exactly going out on a limb there considering the run we have will be nearly impossible to match by anyone. Nobody can rival us as far as the draft goes over the last 10-15 years (including USC and OSU, not a knock on them, just a testament to the dominance Miami had as far as producing NFL talent).

Just to put things in perspective. Over the last 10-15 years, Miami has:

1.)put the most players in the NFL
2.)put the most players in the Pro Bowl
3.)broken the record for most 1st rounders in 1 year
4.)broken the record for consecutive years with 1st rounders

Miami has set records in the draft that are pretty unheard of.

Anyone trying to talk down Miami for not producing the same NFL talent needs to take a step back and just see that the level of talent coming out is something that might never be repeated by any school for a long, long time.
Miami obviously will be lucky if they have 2 players even drafted this year, but there is some talent in the pipeline with guys like Jason Fox, Craig Cooper, Orlando Franklin, Allen Bailey and Colin McCarthy. Certainly not sure fire 1st rounders but certain solid players that should fall in the 2-4 round range within the next year or 2. (Plus there should be a few low round guys mixed in there as well.)

Not bad for a team that player the most freshmen in the country last year and who's biggest talent base is still at least 3 years away from going Pro.

Get off your soap box joey, I know what miami has accomplished I'm not downplaying anything. I'm just saying, while miami has been arguably the greatest cfb program for the last 10 years, I would'nt be surprised to see them stay at the state they are at now for a lil while. The one thing with streaks is....they end, and sometimes it takes a lil while to comeback to where you were in the past (especially if expectations are high). The good thing for miami is they'll always have talent, the bad part is...talent isn't the problem.


Now with all that said, does miami have a great chance of rebounding this year and become serious title contenders the next, probably more than likely...but if they don't, I would'nt be surprised at all. It's like what you say all the time about not calling things "locks", would'nt you agree?
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I'm just saying, while miami has been arguably the greatest cfb program for the last 10 years, I would'nt be surprised to see them stay at the state they are at now for a lil while. The one thing with streaks is....they end, and sometimes it takes a lil while to comeback to where you were in the past (especially if expectations are high). The good thing for miami is they'll always have talent, the bad part is...talent isn't the problem.
We have been on that down cycle streak for 5 years now, and yes talent HAS absolutely been the problem in Miami, Larry Coker was a horrible recruiter and did not understand how to build a college football team. We are just now getting back the type of talent we are used to starting with the 2008 class.
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We have been on that down cycle streak for 5 years now, and yes talent HAS absolutely been the problem in Miami, Larry Coker was a horrible recruiter and did not understand how to build a college football team. We are just now getting back the type of talent we are used to starting with the 2008 class.

You guys were still pumping out nfl talent, not as much, but way more than any average program. You dont need to put out 6 first rounders to validate talent lol.
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