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Old 03-06-2007, 02:31 PM    (permalink
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broncos easily...baltimore or oakland are 2nd
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I actually think Youboty and McGee are going to develop into a very good, young corner duo.
Well i didnt like Youboty coming out last season for draft, but he did and it was good for him to groom under clements last season, now as clement is gone he will be counted on to step up and feel his big shoes beside McGee
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dude ike taylor and bmac have to be up there. i mean ike had a bad year but still was really good. and bmac turned the corner. under tomlin they will be probowlers i bet
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if you are talking about nickel back...ricky manning jr. is probably the best nickel back IMO not the most talented 3rd DB on a team but the best at playing nickel back...



peanut tillman, nathan vasher, and ricky manning jr. is the #1 nickel set in the NFL :)

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LOL, You forget I saw Ricky Manning for two years, he's nothing. As for Vasher and Tillman, they're good, but they lack a lot like size and physicality.

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You haven't watched many Panthers games did you? Chris Gamble is not good. Lucas is though, when he was healthy, which he wasn't last year. I think it would be best if Gamble is replaced by Marshall. Either way, they were not that good last year, i.e anywhere near an elite tandem.
Both players were injured all year, not only that but our defense was on the field for an extreme amount of time compared to what they were in 05. The trio is the best in the NFL, head and shoulders. They just need some form of support from the safeties. Last year three passes gamble tipped were picked up by receivers he wasn't covering that the safeties should've leveled. He never had inside support when he was running outside technique and never got help over the top against speed receivers like our scheme is designed to give. Why do you think we're targeting safeties?
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Realistically, it's Denver.

Dre Bly is very overrated, an aging corner whose skills are sloping downward, but it doesn't matter. He's a former #1 who is now a #2 and whose coverage responsibilities will be changed thusly, and that's all you need to know.

Put anyone decent next to Champ Bailey and it's the best pair of corners in the league. The Broncos need to clean out backfield and develop some new safeties. Then, they'll have the best secondary in the league.

That's the effect that having the one person in the NFL that never asks for coverage help and almost never blows his coverages has on a defense.
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Bly and Bailey. Bly is arugably a solid #1 corner, and having someone with that kind of talent besides Champ Bailey creates the best CB tandem in the NFL.
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Bly and Champ obviously, but nigg* please sheldon brown and lito sheppard deserve some credit in 2nd know what im sayin?
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1. Denver
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i heard that Bly is demading a trade because the broncos wont rework his contract.
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the best is definatly the broncos, but for everyone saying the ravens are the best have any of you actually watched a raven game, samari rolle is beyond bad.
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Uhhh no he won't. Jerry said they are probably going to keep him at CB.

Good, he is a good CB, why move him?
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BLy and Champ are #1 but not because of Bly, itss that Champ will make BLy look good
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Old 03-06-2007, 07:25 PM    (permalink
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the best is definatly the broncos, but for everyone saying the ravens are the best have any of you actually watched a raven game, samari rolle is beyond bad.
his play tends to get exagerated because while he did play poorly many times he lacked the saftey help that he was supposed to have. he still is a starter though
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Personally, as I haven't mentioned my top tandem yet, I would still take whichever twosome the Panthers put out there. Yes, whichever twosome out of the three. While it's fair to say that neither Lucas/Gamble had exemplary seasons, I didn't see any physical skill level slippage that would warrant concern in future seasons. Having an off year happens, and there were certainly other factors. Now, both have a lot of work to do this offseason, but age/talent wise, I'll take my chances with them. After that, I think I would go with the Broncos ... if they keep Bly. If it turns out to be, say, Bailey/Macklin instead ... then they drop. I would probably go Falcons after that, as I'll roll the dice with Williams over Washington (if Williams stays at corner), as I like Hall better than Asomugha. Raiders would probably come in after that with Asomugha developing, but a bit of uncertainty on my part as to how good Fabian Washington can be. I'd close it off with the Eagles.

Thus,

1. Panthers
2. Broncos (if Bly stays ... )
3. Falcons (I absolutely am not a big Williams fan ... but the kid has some skills)
4. Raiders
5. Eagles

I think a case could be made for a variety of orders, though. For all the "Champ Bailey and Joe Smuckers" could be the best tandem ... I think that's a bit overreaching in this age of football.

But I'll give it some more thought, and who knows, by the end of this free agency period, things could be much different.
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wow ur on crack thinking the falcons cb duo is better then the eagles jimmy williams hasnt proved jack ****.
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Toonster, normally I'd back you up, but I have to agree that your assessment here is suspect at best. Hall had a terrible 2006, and Williams didn't fare better. Meanwhile, Brown and Sheppard were consistent and consistently better than both Falcons CB's with a lesser pass rush to help them out. You can put the Falcons in the top 5 based on Williams' potential, but the Eagles have to be ahead of them due to actual production...
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I thought we were looking towards 2007 ... not looking back at 2006. If we are looking back at 2006, sure, I'd take Brown/Sheppard over the Falcons tandem any day. I don't think Hall had a terrible 2006 ... and I didn't see any slippage in physical ability to assume that he can't be considered one of the elite CB's in the league. It reminds me a few years ago (2003) when most observers felt that Fred Smoot was the better cornerback than Champ Bailey. Looking back on it, it's ludicrous. Champ had an off year, and it wasn't a bad year.

Hey, by all means, if we are judging on 2006, I'd take the Eagles duo over the Falcons. From that measure, the Packers and 49ers definitely deserve to be up there. But the age of guys like Al Harris/Charles Woodson/Walt Harris makes me wary on those guys.

Again ... if we are looking at 2007 ... I'll take my chances with the Falcons duo over the Eagles duo, especially with Mike Zimmer there as the DC and a quality coach in Emmitt Thomas. I could end up being dead wrong, but I'd take them ... if we are looking at 2007.

And if it wasn't made clear befoe, I personally don't like Jimmy Williams much, and I'll also state that I'm not a huge fan of DeAngelo Hall either.
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