The "He's Not That Good" Thread - Page 2

GB12 · 03-17-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

Nick Barnett, AJ Hawk, Atari Bigby. Pick one of those three.

If you picked AJ Hawk you are correct.

Barnett was very good his first 5 years. This past season he looked horrible at the start and then was placed on IR halfway through, but he definitely doesn't belong in this thread. I think Packer fans have gotten way too down on him.

Bigby was bothered by injuries all season long. He only started 6 games and in the ones he did start maybe 2 of them he was 100%. I'm not going to judge him on 2008. In 2007 he showed some real promise especially towards the end. Maybe put him up as an unkown still, but again he doesn't belong in this thread.

Hawk is the one that fits perfectly.

dabears10 · 03-17-2009, 11:04 PM

Urlacher. He has gone from an Elite Linebacker to a very good one. He gets blocked out of plays has stopped making plays in the passing game.

GBahDunka · 03-17-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dabears10

Urlacher. He has gone from an Elite Linebacker to a very good one. He gets blocked out of plays has stopped making plays in the passing game.

to his defense he is getting up there in age

Woody56 · 03-17-2009, 11:08 PM

Alan Faneca

He is still good, but definately not worth what he got and could argue he was the 5th best lineman on the team last year

no love · 03-17-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody56

Alan Faneca

He is still good, but definately not worth what he got and could argue he was the 5th best lineman on the team last year

Nate Clements. For a supposed top tier corner, he can get absolutely lit-up by smaller wrs

GB12 · 03-17-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by no love

Nate Clements. For a supposed top tier corner, he can get absolutely lit-up by smaller wrs

Thing is, no one but 9ers fans ever really thought he was that good.

TimD · 03-17-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody56

Alan Faneca

He is still good, but definately not worth what he got and could argue he was the 5th best lineman on the team last year

Yeah but I he doesn't hurt the team at all which is good. Also, D'Brick had a career year and I think Faneca definitely impacted that. He didn't really get beat up with pass rushes, but he wasn't as dominant in the run game as he should be. I don't if i'd call him overrated. I really don't know who to pick here. Every on the Jets who is acknowledged as good is good haha

proshoota25 · 03-17-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

James Sanders. Nobody thinks he's amazing or anything, but he's a fringe starter.

Ellis Hobbs as well. Same deal, except he's actually a starter caliber guy...just not one you should have any kind of comfort level matching up with a teams number one receiver.

i was going to say ellis hobbs as well.

vidae · 03-17-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat420

LOL don't get me wrong I love DJ I do and still feel he can be an all pro but as of today I stand by what I said.

It was the coaching! He wasn't used properly and our defensive line has been crap! DJ is one of the only players on our defense that is worth a damn.

You'll pay for this Splat! You'll paaaayyy for thiiiisss!

Matthew Jones · 03-17-2009, 11:44 PM

Logan Mankins. Good guard, one of the top 10, but not one of the top 3 IMO. Maybe Brady will make him look like a beast next year though. Outside of him, maybe Ben Watson (if people think he's really good.)

ElectricEye · 03-17-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

Logan Mankins. Good guard, one of the top 10, but not one of the top 3 IMO. Maybe Brady will make him look like a beast next year though. Outside of him, maybe Ben Watson (if people think he's really good.)

Ben Watson is a guy a lot of people overrate. He hasn't taken the next step a lot of people have been waiting for him to take and he doesn't look to have the natural receiving skills to do so.

GBahDunka · 03-17-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

Logan Mankins. Good guard, one of the top 10, but not one of the top 3 IMO. Maybe Brady will make him look like a beast next year though. Outside of him, maybe Ben Watson (if people think he's really good.)

yeah ben watson drops way too many balls.

The Legend · 03-17-2009, 11:55 PM

Aaron Schobel hasn't been the same. Last Year he had 6 sacks. This year he had 1 sack in 6 games.

WinslowBodden · 03-18-2009, 12:00 AM

Braylon Edwards...

I like the guy and want him to do good, but my god he was down right horrible last year and fans around the league kept saying "receivers cant impact a team that much" when you play as bad as he did last year you can impact your offense immensely.

Edit: Oh yeah, Kamerion Wimbley hasn't done squat since his rookie year.

OzTitan · 03-18-2009, 12:07 AM

Keith Bulluck for sure. He probably peaked as a player right when the Titans sucked as a team, unfortunately. 2004-2005. Every year without fail he gets listed as a pro bowl snub, but he hasn't been at that level lately. A leader on D but he doesn't really have a particular strength on the field much anymore, and was never much against the run.

Paul · 03-18-2009, 12:14 AM

Flozell maybe. He's a slap on the head away from being a full-******.

I do remember a post that said Marcus Spears helps Ware a lot in the front 7. :/

GBahDunka · 03-18-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul

Flozell maybe. He's a slap on the head away from being a full-******.

I do remember a post that said Marcus Spears helps Ware a lot in the front 7. :/

I want Dallas the move Flo to the other side of the line.

TitanHope · 03-18-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OzTitan

Keith Bulluck for sure. He probably peaked as a player right when the Titans sucked as a team, unfortunately. 2004-2005. Every year without fail he gets listed as a pro bowl snub, but he hasn't been at that level lately. A leader on D but he doesn't really have a particular strength on the field much anymore, and was never much against the run.

It appears that Bulluck has lost a step, but I disagree. The decline that Titans fans see started when out DEF went from 32nd in the NFL to a Top 10 unit. In my opinion, fans perceive the defensive talent around Bulluck rising to his level as Bulluck falling to their level.

The emergence of Haynesworth, Michael Griffin at FS, not Peter Sirmon at MIKE, the DL depth improving, excellent tackling CB's in Cortland Finnegan and Nick Harper, and not to mention David Thornton and Chris Hope settling in during their second year in the scheme. Bulluck is no longer the only one on DEF who can make the play. So, it looks like he's no longer the elite OLB he used to be, but that's wrong. This season, Bulluck led the defense in solo tackles and assisted tackles. Last season, he led the team in INT's.

Bulluck is a freak. He's 31 years old and is still one of the best 4-3 OLB's in the NFL. Before this season, he was the most consistently productive 4-3 LB as a SLB over the last 5 seasons, and I included WLB's and MLB's in my survey. The only one who was better than him in a statistic was Julian Peterson, who had more sacks per season. I haven't included this past season yet, but no doubt he's still up there.

My pick is Kerry Collins, because he had MVP talk midseason.

LonghornsLegend · 03-18-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GBahDunka

I want Dallas the move Flo to the other side of the line.

And put who in his spot...and put Columbo where? As long as we draft a LT I'll be ok, but Flozell sucks and most people know now so I didn't think to mention him, but he was in the Pro Bowl as an alternate though *shrugs*

GBahDunka · 03-18-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

And put who in his spot...and put Columbo where? As long as we draft a LT I'll be ok, but Flozell sucks and most people know now so I didn't think to mention him, but he was in the Pro Bowl as an alternate though *shrugs*

Well Flo is def in one ear, and unfortunately its the wrong ear

OzTitan · 03-18-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope

It appears that Bulluck has lost a step, but I disagree. The decline that Titans fans see started when out DEF went from 32nd in the NFL to a Top 10 unit. In my opinion, fans perceive the defensive talent around Bulluck rising to his level as Bulluck falling to their level.

The emergence of Haynesworth, Michael Griffin at FS, not Peter Sirmon at MIKE, the DL depth improving, excellent tackling CB's in Cortland Finnegan and Nick Harper, and not to mention David Thornton and Chris Hope settling in during their second year in the scheme. Bulluck is no longer the only one on DEF who can make the play. So, it looks like he's no longer the elite OLB he used to be, but that's wrong. This season, Bulluck led the defense in solo tackles and assisted tackles. Last season, he led the team in INT's.

Bulluck is a freak. He's 31 years old and is still one of the best 4-3 OLB's in the NFL. Before this season, he was the most consistently productive 4-3 LB as a SLB over the last 5 seasons, and I included WLB's and MLB's in my survey. The only one who was better than him in a statistic was Julian Peterson, who had more sacks per season. I haven't included this past season yet, but no doubt he's still up there.

My pick is Kerry Collins, because he had MVP talk midseason.

I'm not really talking stats so much. I think he's a quality LB but on the field I just don't think he's as good as often made out. I'm not sure he's better than David Thornton. I think a lot of that is due to the fact a lot of "in the know" fans from other teams rightfully acknowledged him as underrated once upon a time and that status hasn't really updated much since. He's still viewed as really underrated but I don't think it's such a big travesty anymore.

A Perfect Score · 03-18-2009, 03:32 AM

I would have said Bart Scott, but he is no longer a Raven...dude is Ed Hartwell 2.0 and benefitted ALOT from playing next to Ray...I have no doubt he is gunna flop in NY next year...guy just doesnt have the discipline nor athleticism to play the Ray Lewis role in that D...

However, on the Ravens, Im gunna say LeRon McClain...he is good in short yardage, and I like him as a change of pace and as a bruiser, but no way in hell should he be carrying the rock 20 times a game...big ball security issues and no long speed at all...the run at dallas doesnt count, because you could of run a dump truck through that hole

wicket · 03-18-2009, 03:46 AM

Jaamal Brown for me. He is decent, good even but not the all world tackle that he seems to get credit for.

TitanHope · 03-18-2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OzTitan

I'm not really talking stats so much. I think he's a quality LB but on the field I just don't think he's as good as often made out. I'm not sure he's better than David Thornton. I think a lot of that is due to the fact a lot of "in the know" fans from other teams rightfully acknowledged him as underrated once upon a time and that status hasn't really updated much since. He's still viewed as really underrated but I don't think it's such a big travesty anymore.

It's still a travesty. He's been the most consistent LB in the NFL since '02, and he's never missed a game in that stretch. He played through cracked ribs this season, and still played very well. I think he was hurt worst for the Chicago game, and he still raked in 9 solo stops. No way does Bulluck deserve to have his name in this thread, and while Thornton is a very good player in his own right, he's quicker and that's about it.

The Unseen · 03-18-2009, 07:59 AM

John Henderson declined big time last year. If he doesn't improve this year he's gonna be a problem.

Reggie Nelson did not play well at all last year. Big disappointment.

Rashean Mathis is a very good player, probably the best player on our defense right now, but he's not Top 5 in the league or a consistent All-Pro player. He gets burned too much for that honor.