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Old 03-23-2009, 02:28 PM    (permalink
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Henderson has been questioned by many around the league that dont think he can stick at LT. Gallery was a tremendous bust that isnt worth what hes making even if he is a solid LG. Satele is a guy that just got traded by one of the best OL mindsin the business for a low pick. Even if a scheme that better fits his skills, hes no lock to revert his rookie year form where he wasnt much more then "pretty good" anyways. Carlisle is just a guy. Barnes is on a one year deal with a histroy of off the field problems and zero pass protection skills.

Lets be honest, the oakland OL is far from good. Young, talented and full of potential? yes. But way to many questions marks that need to be anwsered before it i considered good.
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Before the season on the Miami board, you basically said Satele was on his way to a bunch of pro bowls. Amazing how your opinion changed to say that he was only "pretty good" in his rookie yr....
The deal was pretty good for both teams, the Raiders get a cheap, starting C who fits their scheme and don't give up a lot. Miami gets to move way up in rd 4 and gets a 6 to fill out their draft in the only rd where they had no pick.
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Sounds like Cable has some pull down in Alameda, first Barnes and now this. This really gives us some flexibility in the draft, now it's time to shore up that D. Excellent move, thank you Al!
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I like this move for Oakland. It's somewhat troubling to hear that Satele isn't particularly stout, because that was the same issue that plagued Grove for quite a few years, and it hurt the offensive line. With Michalczik coming in from Cal-Berkeley as offensive line coach, it seems likely that the team will move in a little more of a power-scheme direction which utilizes the same cutback lanes that can lead to big yardage in a zone-blocking scheme (and are Darren McFadden's best shot at becoming an big play threat in the NFL).

Every team in the AFC West besides Oakland is going to be running a 34 defense at least part of the time next season. San Diego already has one of the best nosetackles in the NFL and both Kansas City and Denver are looking to find one for themselves.

I think this is probably Oakland's contingency plan if they can't get Alex Mack (who they seem to be angling fairly hard for). You know that Michalczik would be pushing for Mack and that Cable is more than familiar with him, but it looks like Oakland would have to move up from the #40 pick to make that happen (or move back from #7, but that would be much more difficult).

Overall, this was a good move. Losing a 6th and moving back in the 4th is more than acceptable.
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I like this move for Oakland. It's somewhat troubling to hear that Satele isn't particularly stout, because that was the same issue that plagued Grove for quite a few years, and it hurt the offensive line. With Michalczik coming in from Cal-Berkeley as offensive line coach, it seems likely that the team will move in a little more of a power-scheme direction which utilizes the same cutback lanes that can lead to big yardage in a zone-blocking scheme (and are Darren McFadden's best shot at becoming an big play threat in the NFL).

Every team in the AFC West besides Oakland is going to be running a 34 defense at least part of the time next season. San Diego already has one of the best nosetackles in the NFL and both Kansas City and Denver are looking to find one for themselves.

I think this is probably Oakland's contingency plan if they can't get Alex Mack (who they seem to be angling fairly hard for). You know that Michalczik would be pushing for Mack and that Cable is more than familiar with him, but it looks like Oakland would have to move up from the #40 pick to make that happen (or move back from #7, but that would be much more difficult).

Overall, this was a good move. Losing a 6th and moving back in the 4th is more than acceptable.
Satele is 6-4, 300 lbs. I like him because he's got a nasty demeanor, something I hope will rub off on the rest of the line. He can also play guard if need be. What I think is that Al was not open to drafting a center that high and this was the compromise, a very good one indeed.
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Satele is 6-4, 300 lbs. I like him because he's got a nasty demeanor, something I hope will rub off on the rest of the line. He can also play guard if need be. What I think is that Al was not open to drafting a center that high and this was the compromise, a very good one indeed.
Sampson doesn't have a nasty demeanor though. He's the nicest guy you'd ever meet. Even on the field, he's more a skilled technician than a nasty mauler.

I'm happy for him in this new opportunity though. His agent said he's really excited about it to and that the Raiders are already going to look to him for leadership.
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Al must be convinced then that Alex Mack is no longer the second coming of Jim Otto. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Raiders still move up for Mack or take Unger for the versatility he could provide to a line with its question marks even following some much needed upgrades this offseason. I like that Satele could shift over to guard if need be.
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This might be the first time in an off-season that we don't look at the Raiders and go WTF!?
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We should go WR, DT and DE in the first 3 picks in any order. Then go Oline the rest of the draft
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Very nice trade for us (it feels weird saying that). It's funny because I always wished we had this guy on our team, and now we do.
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Dolphins have alot of options to draft at center. Smart year to trade Samson, but for a not so smart player. I say Oakland wins the deal.
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Satele is a future star at centre and Grove has been inconsistent to say the least. They got a much better center basically only for a 6th.
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I'm all for the idea of Satele being a future great player at center, but there's no question who was the better center last year. The games Grove had against Jamal Williams and Kris Jenkins were tremendous. As long as he stays healthy, he has a bright future.
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It can only mean one thing....Al Davis is dead. RIP, Al.
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Great move for Oakland, they got a guy who was a 2nd rounder in 2007, rarely injured and a great fit for a ZBS for only a 6th, and moving down in the 4th...That's well worth the risk.
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I think for the draft picks that they have had to give up, this is definitely a good move for the Raiders.
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Great pickup for the Raiders. Satele will thrive in a ZBS.
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I like this move for Oakland. It's somewhat troubling to hear that Satele isn't particularly stout, because that was the same issue that plagued Grove for quite a few years, and it hurt the offensive line. With Michalczik coming in from Cal-Berkeley as offensive line coach, it seems likely that the team will move in a little more of a power-scheme direction which utilizes the same cutback lanes that can lead to big yardage in a zone-blocking scheme (and are Darren McFadden's best shot at becoming an big play threat in the NFL).

Every team in the AFC West besides Oakland is going to be running a 34 defense at least part of the time next season. San Diego already has one of the best nosetackles in the NFL and both Kansas City and Denver are looking to find one for themselves.

I think this is probably Oakland's contingency plan if they can't get Alex Mack (who they seem to be angling fairly hard for). You know that Michalczik would be pushing for Mack and that Cable is more than familiar with him, but it looks like Oakland would have to move up from the #40 pick to make that happen (or move back from #7, but that would be much more difficult).

Overall, this was a good move. Losing a 6th and moving back in the 4th is more than acceptable.
The difference between the AFC West and AFC East 3-4 teams is that there is only one good NT in the AFC (and he's really getting old) while there are 2 very good NTs in the East (Wilfork and Jenkins). I would say that it is debatable whether Williams is on the same level as Wilfork and Jenkins last year. The other two teams in the AFCW are undersized and really have very crappy defensive lines. They may upgrade in the future, but for this year (even considering the draft), I don't think Satele has to worry about the Broncos or Chiefs.
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The difference between the AFC West and AFC East 3-4 teams is that there is only one good NT in the AFC (and he's really getting old) while there are 2 very good NTs in the East (Wilfork and Jenkins). I would say that it is debatable whether Williams is on the same level as Wilfork and Jenkins last year. The other two teams in the AFCW are undersized and really have very crappy defensive lines. They may upgrade in the future, but for this year (even considering the draft), I don't think Satele has to worry about the Broncos or Chiefs.
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Dont forget Marcus Stroud.
He's not a NT or in a 3-4...

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The difference between the AFC West and AFC East 3-4 teams is that there is only one good NT in the AFC (and he's really getting old) while there are 2 very good NTs in the East (Wilfork and Jenkins). I would say that it is debatable whether Williams is on the same level as Wilfork and Jenkins last year. The other two teams in the AFCW are undersized and really have very crappy defensive lines. They may upgrade in the future, but for this year (even considering the draft), I don't think Satele has to worry about the Broncos or Chiefs.
You're right, of course, but assuming we're looking past this year, having at the very least 6 games a year against 3-4 teams makes our center position that much more crucial. I'm glad Satele is on the team, but a big part of me still wants Oakland to pursue Alex Mack and shift Satele to RG to replace Carlisle.
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