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Old 03-30-2009, 08:49 PM    (permalink
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Brandon Marshall is very overrated.

Eddie Royal, though, is a beast.
How is Marshall overrated? The guy is a frickin' beast!
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How is Marshall overrated? The guy is a frickin' beast!
He has inflated stats due to the offense he plays in, and although he is often compared to Terrell Owens he isn't near the deep threat Owens was or even is today.

Also, for a big receiver with his number of receptions, he has very low touchdown totals.
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Where's the Justin Gage and Lavelle Hawkins love? :/
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Where's the Justin Gage and Lavelle Hawkins love? :/
They're left out cuz they're the obvious choice...right fellas?

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Moss/Welker all day. Deep threat and a guy who will go across the middle.
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Andre Johnson and some hobo off the street.

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Crabtree and Edwards ;)
I was going to say that.
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Easily Randy Moss.
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I like Chambers and Jackson a lot but they don't belong up there with Moss/Welker or Andre/anybody in the AFC.
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He has inflated stats due to the offense he plays in, and although he is often compared to Terrell Owens he isn't near the deep threat Owens was or even is today.

Also, for a big receiver with his number of receptions, he has very low touchdown totals.
Inflated stats due to the offense he plays in? What about Moss and Welker then? Don't they have inflated stats, especially Welker, due to the offenses they are in?
And Marshall has only been in the league 3 years and made the Pro Bowl. Owens was just getting into his own at the same time.
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He has inflated stats due to the offense he plays in, and although he is often compared to Terrell Owens he isn't near the deep threat Owens was or even is today.

Also, for a big receiver with his number of receptions, he has very low touchdown totals.
The system he plays in is called "Throw to Marshall, he's open."
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I think anyone not saying Moss/Welker is suffering some anti-Pats bias.

I think they even give Fitz/Boldin a run for their money (assuming that it's assumed that they're just the best in the NFC...)
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Inflated stats due to the offense he plays in? What about Moss and Welker then? Don't they have inflated stats, especially Welker, due to the offenses they are in?
And Marshall has only been in the league 3 years and made the Pro Bowl. Owens was just getting into his own at the same time.
Welker definitely has inflated stats.

But at least he (Welker) produced on a team with a good run game.

The Broncos form of a run game was the short passing game.

As for Owens, he had 26 receiving touchdowns in his first three seasons in the league. Marshall has 15. On 64 more receptions. Owens averaged over 15 yards per catch his first three seasons, Marshall not even 13.

To this point, Marshall hasn't shown much at all. He catches a lot of ball, but hasn't made a ton of big plays or caught a lot of touchdowns. He's more Keyshawn Johnson than Terrell Owens.
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Definitely can't go wrong with Moss/Welker or Royal/Marshall

And on paper Owens/Evans is pretty much as good as it gets...

But there's no Trent Edwards on paper...
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He has inflated stats due to the offense he plays in, and although he is often compared to Terrell Owens he isn't near the deep threat Owens was or even is today.

Also, for a big receiver with his number of receptions, he has very low touchdown totals.
Then how do you explain Andre Johnson's TD totals? It's not like Brandon Marshall has played 6 seasons so you have a large sample to go from.


AJ through 3 seasons: 12 TD's
Marshall through 3 seasons: 15 TD's

Nevermind that AJ followed that up with 5, 8, and 8.


And sorry but if you want to use the inflated stats argument for the offense then use it against Welker, Marshall is the #1 WR and gets doubled like crazy, his stats aren't inflated because of the offense they are inflated because he's good.


You said yourself he's not really a deep threat, yet he still managed to get 1300 yards twice on all underneath routes? That's even more impressive, and his YPC is more impressive then you might think.

He posted a YPC over 15 as a rookie, Fitzgerald has yet to go over 15, and last year Marshall was averaging 13 which is about Fitz's career average, Marshall wasn't far off that total this year.


He's hardly over-rated, maybe he's not TO, but he's still a dominant WR that is dripping with talent.


edit: I see someone already mentioned Welker so you can disregard that.
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It's Moss/Welker.

A better question is who has the worst tandem in the NFL?
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I think part of the problem with determining that is the lack of consistency of "tandems" because teams want to get their bad players off the field.

That said, Ron Curry, JLH, Schilens, Javon of the Raiders was about as bad as it gets last year. Potential? Yeah, there are tools to work with in regards to JLH and Schilens, but can the Raiders really count on rolling snake-eyes?
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The system he plays in is called "Throw to Marshall, he's open."
No, that's the system Jay wants to play in. Much easier than making reads, going through your progression, etc.

McD, of course, has other plans.
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The whole Welker has inflated stats he is a product of the system stuff is getting so old who cares if he is a product of the system he has had back to back years that have been just insane.
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Moss/Welker hands down


Marshall and Royal have potential as does Wayne and Gonzo
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Who is it?

Wayne/Gonzalez?
Chambers/Jackson?
Owens/Evans?
Moss/Welker?
Right now it is Moss/Welker, but it soon will be Wayne/Gonzo since Gonzo is just about to get into his prime and is a better athlete and a quicker WR than Welker is.
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The whole Welker has inflated stats he is a product of the system stuff is getting so old who cares if he is a product of the system he has had back to back years that have been just insane.
The point is there are plenty of 2nd receivers in the NFL I'd want on my team over Welker, because I don't think he could produce as well as others in any other situation.
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