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Old 03-31-2009, 12:58 PM    (permalink
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Moss/Welker easily.

Its the perfect mix. Moss stretches the living crap out of a defense vertically, and leaves the entire middle of the field open for underneath routes.

Welker is probably the best WR in the league in space (behind Fitz), and he stretches a defense horizontally as good as any WR in the league. He's tough, shifty, and impossible to cover underneath with all that space left open by Moss. He's probably the shiftiest WR in the league, and a prototype slot WR. Theres better WRs in this league than Welker, but none of them are better in the slot than him. He's the perfect slot WR.

We all already know how I feel about Moss. Most impactful WR ive ever seen.

They are the perfect duo.
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Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter.
People hate on Kevin Walter too much. Too bad they have the injury-prone Matt Schaub throwing to them.
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Then how do you explain Andre Johnson's TD totals? It's not like Brandon Marshall has played 6 seasons so you have a large sample to go from.


AJ through 3 seasons: 12 TD's
Marshall through 3 seasons: 15 TD's

Nevermind that AJ followed that up with 5, 8, and 8.


And sorry but if you want to use the inflated stats argument for the offense then use it against Welker, Marshall is the #1 WR and gets doubled like crazy, his stats aren't inflated because of the offense they are inflated because he's good.


You said yourself he's not really a deep threat, yet he still managed to get 1300 yards twice on all underneath routes? That's even more impressive, and his YPC is more impressive then you might think.

He posted a YPC over 15 as a rookie, Fitzgerald has yet to go over 15, and last year Marshall was averaging 13 which is about Fitz's career average, Marshall wasn't far off that total this year.


He's hardly over-rated, maybe he's not TO, but he's still a dominant WR that is dripping with talent.


edit: I see someone already mentioned Welker so you can disregard that.
Andre Johnson had David Carr throwing him the ball. Name one other guy than Andre Johnson that was any good on the Texans.

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Devin Hester and ******* Rashied Davis!
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Andre Johnson had David Carr throwing him the ball.

Boldin had 1400 yards and 8 TD's with Josh McCown, Calvin Johnson had 1300 yards and 12 TD's with crap at QB. Elite WR's still produce and that's what everyone assumes AJ is even though his TD totals are pedestrian.


In comparison Roy Williams through 3 seasons: 23 TD's


Almost doubling Andre's totals, but everyone acts like Roy sucks around here.



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Name one other good player on the Lions last year.
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Ward and Holmes baby! Two super bowl MVPs! :)

For real though, I think it's Moss/ Welker.
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The homer in me says this is dumb question, as the only answer is Moss/Welker.


Then I tell the homer to shut dfu and I give it some thought.


Moss and Welker.
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Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter.
I like this one.

It's obviously got to be Moss/Welker but these two don't get as much love as they should, particularly Walter. Very underrated.

Can't believe nobody's said Cotchery/(Brad Smith?/Chansi Stuckey?/David Clowney?) though.
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With all these arguements between Welker/Moss vs. Royal and Marshall, are we forgeting about Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez? With Manning at QB they get it done year in and year out.
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Boldin had 1400 yards and 8 TD's with Josh McCown, Calvin Johnson had 1300 yards and 12 TD's with crap at QB. Elite WR's still produce and that's what everyone assumes AJ is even though his TD totals are pedestrian.


In comparison Roy Williams through 3 seasons: 23 TD's


Almost doubling Andre's totals, but everyone acts like Roy sucks around here.






Name one other good player on the Lions last year.
Kevin Smith for instance
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Kevin Smith for instance
Domanic Davis was way better in 2004 then Kevin Smith last year...1800 yards and 14 TD's isn't a good player?
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Domanic Davis was way better in 2004 then Kevin Smith last year...1800 yards and 14 TD's isn't a good player?
okay, who would u rather have on ur team: the Texans OL and David Carr or Dan Orlovsky and the Lions Line
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Boldin had 1400 yards and 8 TD's with Josh McCown, Calvin Johnson had 1300 yards and 12 TD's with crap at QB. Elite WR's still produce and that's what everyone assumes AJ is even though his TD totals are pedestrian.


In comparison Roy Williams through 3 seasons: 23 TD's


Almost doubling Andre's totals, but everyone acts like Roy sucks around here.






Name one other good player on the Lions last year.
Good post, I really feel Andre Johnson gets a bigger pass than anyone, like it's a foregone conclusion that he is a top 2(or even the best) receiver, when he hasn't produced at the level of some other guys he's ranked above.
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Johnsons last 1.5 seasons is greater than most peoples last 2 seasons. Thats with Rosencopter and DLaub as his QBs.
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Then how do you explain Andre Johnson's TD totals? It's not like Brandon Marshall has played 6 seasons so you have a large sample to go from.

That was an issue for Andre as well. But Andre, unlike Marshall, has/ had a high yard per catch average.

AJ through 3 seasons: 12 TD's
Marshall through 3 seasons: 15 TD's

Nevermind that AJ followed that up with 5, 8, and 8.

See above.


And sorry but if you want to use the inflated stats argument for the offense then use it against Welker, Marshall is the #1 WR and gets doubled like crazy, his stats aren't inflated because of the offense they are inflated because he's good.

I said that

You said yourself he's not really a deep threat, yet he still managed to get 1300 yards twice on all underneath routes? That's even more impressive, and his YPC is more impressive then you might think.

He posted a YPC over 15 as a rookie, Fitzgerald has yet to go over 15, and last year Marshall was averaging 13 which is about Fitz's career average, Marshall wasn't far off that total this year.

Marshall did 15 on a low amount of sample catches.

As far as Fitz, he gets touchdowns. I can live with a receiver who makes big plays (Andre) or catches a lot of touchdowns (Larry). But not one who does neither.

Also, Fitz averages 14 ypc which is plenty good.


He's hardly over-rated, maybe he's not TO, but he's still a dominant WR that is dripping with talent.


edit: I see someone already mentioned Welker so you can disregard that.
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I don't get the big deal for Marshall's ypc. 2 yards, is that really that big of a deal? No, it isn't. Geez, its like you are just trying to come up with stuff to derail Marshall.
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